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The US Postal Service recognizes Venice as not being part of Los Angeles. Annexation occurred in the early 1930s and not 1904. The Venice secession movement is Los Angeles' oldest and prior to the Valley secession campaign it was the most well known. - A Venetian

I agree; I live here and drive, too - and the only place in Venice I ever see congestion is Route 1/Lincoln, and that traffic has little to do with Venice itself. This should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.168.51.139 (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I added the information re Shoreline Crips to flesh out the information about Oakwood. Also, I do not think of Venice as being partigularly congested. Other then on beach days traffick to and from Venice is moderate. Trust me I drive hear everyday.--Veniceslug1 03:29, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Women in Recovery

Is this organization notable enough to warrant a mention in the Venice, Los Angeles article? Even though it's a non-profit, its inclusion here seems a bit like an advertisement to me. Norvy 13:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Removed. Norvy 18:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Homes based on Political Contributions

Used fundrace.org to find other famous names in Venice. Fitch 21:11, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] lifeguards

Seems to me that the section about the LA county lifeguards should be on its own page, since much of the information there isn't specifically about venice.. Venicebeach 21:13, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, it's grown to the point that it's ready to be on it's own. I recommend Los Angeles County Fire Department Lifeguard Division, a ponderous but accurate title. Go for it. Cheers, -Willmcw 22:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. When will this happen? Last discussion about his was 2005! Five 5 fingers 8:38, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Missing is some of the colorful Beatnik / Hippie history

In the '50's, '60's and '70's Venice was known for its bohemian, artsy, anti-establishment culture. This boomed particularly in the Hippie period between '66 and '72.

Things I remember about that era:

'Ocean Park pier, closed for over a year prior to being reopened as Pacific Ocean Park 'Up to late '60's - the open trams that ran from Santa Monica Pier to Windward '64 (?) Aragon Ballroom converted to a skating rink '65, Venice West Coffee House closes '65, No War Toys Sandpile with Joan Baez '69 - '72 Venice Canal Festival '69 - local beachfront concerts at the A&W, players like early James Taylor '70's - Venice P.D. moves to Marina, old Venice P.D. jail becomes kind of a museum & movie site

[edit] Attractions and neighborhoods needs canals

How 'bout a section in Attractions and neighborhoods about the canals, that's a big attraction. 'cept all I could say is, "Built by Abbott Kinney… uhhh…" —Fitch 00:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Film in Venice

A skateboard movie Thrashin with Josh Brolin was film in Venice.

[edit] Venice beach needs more detail

Almost nothing is said about Venice Beach counter culture atmospher. I suggest the following but it was removed.

Venice Beach is well known for its ecliptic environment. Venice Beach has a gritty appearance and is known for showing a diversity of cultures and races which sets it apart from it neighboring yuppie beaches. Known for being popular with the eccentric and those inclined to counter culture, Venice is also host to numerous street performers, tattoo shops, psychic readers, head shops, alternative clothing shop, drum circle, skate dancing, and basket ball, graffiti pit among other.

First off, Venice is not "ecliptic", nor is it gritty. Second, some of this material is already covered in the preceding paragraph. Third, these are your opinions (unless you can cite someone for all of these "knowns"). Lastly, the grammar is poor. -Will Beback 21:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm agree with the first comment, more should be said about Venice Beach.. And sure Venice is gritty, it sure aint pretty. Opinions and grammar aside, Venice is quite different from others beaches and deserves a better description about it.

I am on Venice beach 4 days a week and there is no place like venice

Venice's alleys are gritty, and Oakwood and East Venice still have their grit, but the Boardwalk could no longer be said to be "gritty" like it was in the 1970s or 1980s.

[edit] Adding Venice Forum, deleting Oakwood "resisting" gentrification.

I added the Venice Forum, and online resource for news about Venice. I deleted the section about Oakwood "resisting" gentrification. It has not. I can walk down the street and see half the houses are either for sale or being torn down to make way for mini-mansions. In addition, the organizations listed in that section either have absolutely nothing to do with gentrification (one is made up of boardwalk performers), is non-existant, or the description violates Wikipedia's ideal of neutrality.

That section was referenced with 3rd-party sources. Sources trump personal experience. Please stop deleting it. Also, forums aren't considered suitable links. Please stop adding it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Here's are some third party sources - http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=4124&IssueNum=165 From this article you'll see that the Venice Beach Free Expression Protection Working Group is an organization made up of boardwalk performers and has nothing to do with gentrification in Oakwood.

http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=362&IssueNum=22 This is an LA Citybeat article about how gentrification in Oakwood has fundementally changed Venice gang culture.

[edit] Additional edits.....

I removed, "Many white elderly residents have lost their homes and been forced into convalescence homes, or into living homeless in cars on vacant lots, while new, affluent residents have built prominent, modern homes in the area."

This is completely unsubstantiated and violates wikipedia nuetrality. Elderly residents who owned their own homes and moved have sold those homes for hundreds of thousands more than they paid for them. Elderly and disabled renters have often received substantial relocation packages (it's been reported that the Lincoln Place tenants received upwards of $30,000 to move). Issues of affordable housing and homelessness are city-wide issues and not unique to Venice.

I removed, "Lincoln Place, was built nearby by the Housing Authority of the City of Los Angeles to accommodate GI's returning from the war and in need of affordable housing. It later came to house working class families of many ethnicities, including a large contingent of African American residents." In fact, Lincoln Place was a red-lined community, like much of LA. African American and other people of color were not allowed to rent in Lincoln Place until well into the 1960's, and even then this was quite rare.

I added, "Only 13 tenants remain, all of them elderly or disabled." This information was provided by Councilman Bill Rosendahl's office.

[edit] Lincoln Place is NOT in Oakwood......

It's east of Lincoln Blvd., so I moved it to the "East Venice" section. Oakwood is west of Lincoln Blvd, bordered by Main st., Rose Ave. and California Ave.

[edit] More information is needed to the Milwood neighborhood.

It said on the article that it's south of Oakwood, but what are the specific boundaries to the area? Agtax 11:27, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Between California Ave. on the north, Venice Blvd. on the south, and Lincoln Blvd. on the east. Not sure about the western boundary - maybe Abbott Kinney? It has been grouped in with Oakwood, especially in the past when crime problems were more severe. It does have similarities to Oakwood but has been more gentrified, probably due to the lack of housing projects and closer proximity to South Venice, Marina Del Rey, and the canals. There's occasional crime and gang activity there but less so than Oakwood. 71.106.209.52 (talk) 08:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)