Talk:Vayden
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A tag has been placed on Vayden requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a real person, organization (band, club, company, etc.), or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable. If this is the first page that you have created, then you should read the guide to writing your first article.
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Articles currently exist about Authority Zero and Jimmy Eat World, both of which are of sgnificant popularity nationwide and originated in Phoenix, Arizona. Vayden has been in existence for six years and is currently one of the most popular bands in the Phoenix area outside of the mainstream/MTV realm. What exactly qualifies this band as non-notable when it is well known in a metropolitan area with a population of nearly 4 million? Check their stats and you will find that their number of fans on myspace rival that of many nationally well known musicians. Roadiejay (talk) 10:42, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- myspace does not qualify as a reliable reference. You must include verifiable references in order for an article to qualify for inclusion on Wikipedia. Ejay (talk) 10:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- In whose opinion does myspace not qualify as a reliable reference? This band has 46,000 and change in listed fans. That sort of fan base does not happen over night, and as I said it rivals that of many "notable" musicians the world over. I have several sources on the web I can provide for your reference. Let me know what you'd like to see, and I will produce it. Thanks Roadiejay (talk) 10:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Also note that the tag states that the article doesn't assert notability. There's no CSD criterion for being not popular. That's only decided in AfDs. 194.75.236.69 (talk) 10:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia policy states so. Blogs and other self-published content are not acceptable. See Wikipedia:SPS#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29. However, news articles from major newspapers are acceptable. Ejay (talk) 10:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- 46,000 fans on a myspace page are not self published works. That's over 46,000 people and fellow musicians who choose to label themselves as "friends" with the band, and is in no way influenced by the band itsself, other than its greatness. Where do I need to put these newspaper articles? Do I leave them on the talk page or on the page itsself? Thanks. Roadiejay (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Add them as references to the article itself (not this talk page). See Wikipedia:References for further information on how to add references to an article. Ejay (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help Ejay. I'll get started on those right now. Also, in response to 194.75.236.69, I feel the article does in fact state assert its notability by stating that the band continues to have a strong following as it tours the western USA. Thanks Roadiejay (talk) 11:01, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Add them as references to the article itself (not this talk page). See Wikipedia:References for further information on how to add references to an article. Ejay (talk) 10:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- 46,000 fans on a myspace page are not self published works. That's over 46,000 people and fellow musicians who choose to label themselves as "friends" with the band, and is in no way influenced by the band itsself, other than its greatness. Where do I need to put these newspaper articles? Do I leave them on the talk page or on the page itsself? Thanks. Roadiejay (talk) 10:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia policy states so. Blogs and other self-published content are not acceptable. See Wikipedia:SPS#Self-published_sources_.28online_and_paper.29. However, news articles from major newspapers are acceptable. Ejay (talk) 10:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
- Also note that the tag states that the article doesn't assert notability. There's no CSD criterion for being not popular. That's only decided in AfDs. 194.75.236.69 (talk) 10:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added four external embedded links for sources. I know there are more out there, including an interview which I believe was in Los Angeles, but can't find it at the moment. At this time I'm going to solicit the help of some others who might be able to find these sources as well as refine some of my writing on the article, because I know I can't do it alone. Plus, it's like 5 in the morning here in Phoenix. Everyone's in bed right now ;). I hope I'm off to a good start so far, and can buy some time until I get some more solid backing for this article. Thanks Roadiejay (talk) 12:00, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
