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[edit] HELP US MAKING THE PROJECT OF ANCIENT GREEK WIKIPEDIA

We are the promoters of the Wikipedia in Ancient Greek. we need your help, specially for write NEW ARTICLES and the TRANSLATION OF THE MEDIAWIKI INTERFACE FOR ANCIENT GREEK, for demonstrating, to the language subcommittee, the value of our project.

Thanks a lot for your help. Ἡ Οὐικιπαιδεία needs you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.40.197.5 (talk) 19:55, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your comments on Talk:New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures

I am VERY interested in how the NWT is understood in the linguistic sense. Does the article impartially lend some credibility to the translation? - CobaltBlueTony 13:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John 1:1

Hello,

I removed that due to no sourcing, and replaced with verifiable info. I cited Wallace as being in agreement with the NWT in that theos is qualitative, nothing more. If Wallace believes that Jesus was uncreated, based on this passage, then he is reading something into the text that is not there; an assumption that cannot be legitimately derived from the passage. I believe that Tim and I have come to a fair balance, although the entire section remains rather un-encyclopedic. If you have any ideas for change by all means make them, or post your ideas on the article's talk page :). Duffer 13:46, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

You're right. All I am saying is that the assertion wasn't sourced. By all means add it back into the article. Duffer (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your Response

Your aggressive reply to my simple query regarding the importance of an ambiguous and unqualified reference was entirely inappropriate. Please refer to Wikipedia:AGF before assuming that individuals are making an attack on your religion.--Jeffro77 (talk) 13:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

You asked about the choice of the word 'attack'. It seemed a polite way of referring to your reaction... "Do you want to play a game? I will give you ... and you will..." I'm happy to call it a 'baseless unwarranted assumptive blurt', if you prefer.--Jeffro77 (talk) 15:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Well Done

I must commend you on your handling of MS. If you would like to send the Administrators my way, I would be happy to support your experiences with those of my own. Best regards, -- cfrito (talk) 05:11, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Cabal case

Following a request at Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal i have accepted a case based apon edits and users concerned with the page "New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures". The following have been notified about this:

I would request that throughout this case, all users remain civil and that editing to the page concerned is kept to a minimum. I hope that everything can be sorted as smoothly as possible. Seddon69 (talk) 23:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I would like to see evidence from you showing that Fred Franz had attained a PhD in biblical studies. Thank you for you help in this case Seddon69 (talk) 02:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

That is the correct document however not the one that shilmer sent me. It is in pdf format and without the watchtower watermark, which in my opinion leads me to believe it to be the original file. There is also the additional front cover. Seddon69 (talk) 00:53, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

In addition as this is in the public domain there is no argument for this not to be sourced in the text. Seddon69 (talk) 00:54, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Franz Transcript and the Saga of a Copy

Vassilis78: I noticed that you asked Seddon69 whether the Franz transcript I sent him was the same one you provided a link to.

Seddon69 indicated the document I sent him was different, and specifically he added “without the watchtower watermark”. Seddon69 is correct that there was no “watchtower” watermark on the document I sent him. But I do not know why he thinks the document is not the same one you linked to because it is the same document, and in fact has a “watchthetower.com” watermark. This is the document I told you of when I said there is a “copy of Franz’s transcript online that even a cursory Google search would find”.

Apparently you conclude that me sharing this particular document with Seddon69 somehow presents an affliction to my personal visit and copying of the same document. That you apparently think this way is so amusing that I look forward to hearing why you would conclude this. In any event, you deserve to know that Seddon69 was wrong that the document I sent him is not the same as the document you linked to. They are the same document.

Here is a logical question for you:

Marvin made a copy of document X 
Marvin sends a copy of document X to Seddon69 
Marvin sent Seddon69 the copy he made of document X

Marvin made a copy of document X 
Marvin sends a copy of document Y to Seddon69 
Marvin did not make a copy of document X

Which, if either, argument above is a valid logical construction?

I look forward to your reply, should you offer one. If you refrain from answering then I am compelled to think you experienced a revelation about your thinking above.--Marvin Shilmer (talk) 04:30, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere along the line what i said has been misinterpreted. What i meant was that that the file martin sent to me was the same document but not the same file. hope this helps clear things up. Seddon69 (talk) 23:51, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Seddon69: Because you said the document I sent you did not have the "watchtower watermark" it suggests the document I sent you was not the same document Vassilis78 linked to. The document I sent you does have a watermark. It has a "watchthetower" watermark. There is no foul, though. Vassilis78 thought this was an important issue, so he deserved to have things cleared up, and other readers also deserve the clarification. So I clarified. We appreciate your help.-Marvin Shilmer (talk) 00:17, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Informal mediation

Hi Vassilis78, regarding the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures article - what concerns, if any, do you have with current version? Addhoc (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nontrinitarianism

Hello, I hope this works, I thought it would be the quickest way to contact you. I am currently involved in a "discussion" on the talk page of Nontrinitarianism and would appreciate some support from people who believe in the article as I am encountering interferance from a (obvously biased) Trinitarian. If you have the time, and/or know anyone with input, please help. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 19:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your call so that I may contribute to the article of Nontrintarianism. It is true for many religious articles that have extremely poor bibliographical support and a lot of bias. I can give many resources but I need some time, because I am generally very busy. A couple of things I want to mention are that it is impossible for someone to understand the classic Trinitarian dogmatic formula without knowing Greek philosophy. In Greece, Orthodox theologians study Greek philosophy first, and after that proceed to patristic studies. Protestants who do not take into account this principle, p.e. who do not know the cultural, historical and linguistic environment of the Nicene/Constantinople Creed, become more anachronistic in their exegesis that those Church "Fathers", who understood Bible without taking into account its Hebraic background.--Vassilis78 (talk) 16:54, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

"Anachronism" - Thank you.
I look forward to your edits and input. GabrielVelasquez (talk) 04:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nontrinitarianism

I have every reason to think that your input would be very welcome by everybody. As others have said, there is a lot of material there which isn't yet adequately sourced. One thing in particular I note is that no explicit reference to the Jehovah's Witnesses is made on that page, although seemingly they would be relevant to its content. And if you can provide references, believe me, I think everybody would be more than pleased. Thank you for being willing to volunteer to help the article. John Carter (talk) 21:21, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NWT Tag Disputing Neutrality

Vassilis78: You tagged the NWT article disputing its neutrality but failed to provide a place for discussion of your dispute on the article’s talk page.

To assist discussion of your dispute, I created a point of discussion on the NWT talk page for your tag. Please explain your views and engage the discussion so editors can resolve any substantive disputes of neutrality. --Marvin Shilmer (talk) 17:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] mediation successful?

Arbitrator Newyorkbrad has requested clarification on whether mediation has been successful. Is arbitration still required? Could you please consider adding a short statement at WP:RFAR within the next 12-14hrs, with a concise update (one or two sentences) regarding your level of satisfaction of the resulting article, and whether the user conduct issues have abated.

If there are outstanding content issues, please list them at the talk page. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:25, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008

Hi, the recent edit you made to Controversies regarding Jehovah's Witnesses has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN tell me a joke... 17:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

No, you don't understand. You added a lot of your own point of view to that article, which wasn't necessary. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN tell me a joke... 18:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Sorry if I'm coming across blunt here, I have now seen the talk page and the concerns raised about the "Murders" section. I think I just assumed that you were a Jehovah's Witness and removed it for POV reasons, but it looks like I'm wrong. Apologies. WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN tell me a joke... 18:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
No really, I've been making a lot of mistakes like that lately. I think I need a break :) WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN tell me a joke... 18:43, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Are you a JW?

Why did you revert my edits in JW controversy page. I read the new teaching in last month Watchtower. It was completely against their previous teaching. I think you are a JW and commenting sside with them. --59.93.34.26 (talk) 04:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)