Talk:Vasojevići

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[edit] Unneccesary signs

I see no reason why "cleanup" and "references" signs are assigned to the article... The article is quite logically structured, there are no unsubstantiated claims (at least I see none), reliable sources are placed in the reference section... so can anyone point out the problem with this article? I will wait a few weeks and if nobody provides any justification for these signes I will remove them both. 217.153.207.18 (talk) 12:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Please, before you make any significant changes DISCUSS it first. By "significant changes" I mean for exaple changing all words from Serb, Serbian etc to Montenegrin etc. Couple of people have made a real effort to write this article so pay respect - CONSULT. thanks in advance 217.153.207.18 (talk) 16:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC) Nikola

Again, there is vandalism going on here... May I ask (repeting the above post) to discuss changes PRIOR to the change? Otherwise it will be reverted. Simple as that... 89.77.106.218 (talk) 23:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Albanian ancestory

Vasojevci are the only genetically real Ilirs in Montenegro. They are not serbs, they are more close to Albanians. They only have christian orthodox religion and they speak montenegrin, but naturally they are Albanians. They only want to be serbians, it's their complex attitude to life, but they will never be.

Who told you that Vasojevici are Albanians? Such statement would not be appreciated at all by them - as they consider them "Serbs living in Montenegro". Have you ever read anything about their history? There has been some kind of project, during last 20 years by one historian who published that Vasojevics are actually Nemanjic descendants (and it would be insult if you say that Nemanjic Royal House aren't Serbs). I have obtained Vasojevic's family tree, and I will soon publish it here - to prove you are wrong. But you weren't completely wrong, I must admit. Two wings of Vasojevic clan are Albanian Orthodox, but that doesn't mean that Vasojevici are Albanians! Do you know that brotherhood clans of Vasojevici are Piperi - one of the largest Montenegrin clans (they both have same ascendant - Vaso, unofficial son of Dusan the Emperor, and grand-grand son of King Vukan of Zeta), which is another proof Vasojevici, generally are not Albanians, but Serbs.

[edit] Use native terms

I suggest that you don't use terms 'tribe' and 'clan' or 'bratherhood' since they may be misleading, but use native terms (Pleme and Bratstvo) instead. Please see discussion page at the article Serbian clans. In the way it is now, it is not clear if you speak of pleme or bratstvo, since you use both clan and tribe in English text. It would be also necessary to add refferences to some printed work. Bezvardis 19:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] who are montenegrins

just one thing. i am a "member" of vasojevic tribe and its not true that vasojevici consider themselves "serbs living in montenegro". we are both serbs AND montenegrins. my great grand father used to say that montenegrins are best serbs :) in response to the stupid claim that montenegrins are albanians - it seems that it is just a common albanian way of insulting serbs.. ("you are albanians as well, we are not in this shit alone"). indeed all people are related in one way or another - after all vikings genes are most common in.. czech republic :) nikola

I agree completely with you, Nikola! Sorry, it was my mistake - I written that when I spent several years out of touch with Montenegro. Now, when I spend a third of every year in Montenegro I completely agree with your grandfather's saying 'Montenegrins are the best Serbs'. Ziv bio! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.116.156.120 (talk) 10:53, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] contradiction

Some of these families are in contradiction / belong to other tribes especially CEKLIN. Would someone who know please clarify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.124.181.143 (talk) 11:54, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

yes, you are right. i have fixed that. 89.77.106.218 00:17, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit]  ?

It's not correct those in the first sentence (Vasojevici are one of the Seven Serb Clans)... Because, clan/tribe of Kuci are not only Serbs - the majority of them are members of Drekalovici part, which were Albanians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.222.1.122 (talk) 21:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Please, regarding claimed "Albanian ancestory" of Kuci refere to the article on Kuči. This is not the place to discuss validity of another article... And by the way what does it mean: "Drekalovici part, which were Albanians"? What are they now?;) 89.77.106.218 (talk) 23:39, 18 March 2008 (UTC)