User talk:Vartan84

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[edit] AfD

Hi, I relisted an AfD and it looks like you deleted it on today's log.[1]. Would appreciate if you could double check before reverting. Thanks. -- Samir धर्म 03:27, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Need help? What are you trying to AfD and why? I'll show you how to AfD it or Prod it -- Samir धर्म 03:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] How to do it

I'd do it for you, but here are the directions. Pretty easy to follow and you can use them for any future AfD's.

  1. Add {{subst:afd1}} to the top of NameHere
  2. The box will have a redlink with "this article's entry" on it. Click that to make the AfD page.
  3. On that page, type {{subst:afd2 | pg=NameHere | text=Reason the page should be deleted}} ~~~~ , and replace Reason the page should be deleted with your reason.
  4. Then go here: [2]
  5. And add {{subst:afd3 | pg=NameHere}} to the bottom of the page.

That's it. -- Samir धर्म 04:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Also

You can sign your posts on talk pages with ~~~~ which adds your name and the date/time -- Samir धर्म 04:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

No probs!! Cheers -- Samir धर्म 04:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Laciner

Is it possible you hold a grudge against Laciner because of his edits to the articles Armenian Red Army and New Armenian Resistance Organization, seeing for example your very first edit? If so, nominating him and his organization on AfD is not the way to go about it. --LambiamTalk 01:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Dear Vartan84. Please cool down. I asked on your talk page because it was a question directed to you, so that was the obvious and most appropriate spot. If you take even a cursory glance at my contributions, it should be obvious enough to you that I am not Laciner. Yes, I had heard of ISRO. Is that so strange? I read the Journal of Turkish Weekly regularly. Do you think Laciner would have written this article: Grikor Suni? Or this: Initial algebra? I have my own entry on Wikipedia, which I haven't even touched, because I prefer to remain anonymous. I further believe you (and Fadix, who appears to think like you do) are mistaken when you think user Ankaram is the same person. I cannot prove it, but I think s/he is a different person associated with Journal of Turkish Weekly. --LambiamTalk 03:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

  • DON'T BE RACIST - When you search 'Sedat Laciner' in Google you'll see more than 100.000 entries Google Sedat laciner search. Laciner is one of the famous Turkish academicians. Vartan84 is an Armenian user, and he is not happy with Prof. Laciner's studies on Armenian issue. That's why Vartan 84 nominates one of the most famous Turkish researchers for deletion. I do not know who created the page, yet many others contirbuted the page and I am sure many more will do. If Wiki delete this page there are more than 100.000 pages in the Google and racist Vartan and his vandal friends cannot delete all of them. Please be constructive instead of discriminative David Falcon 12:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Visit the following address and understand how much you are a provacatist:Davos YGL Laciner Official Page
100,000 entries...? Well that many does come up, but then when I scroll through them no more than 57 are unique hits! When you click on the "see results from other pages" you see these 100,000 comes from the Turkish Weekly page and page again, which of course is Laciner's publication that he tries to promote through wikipedia. If he had thousands of legitimate entries coming from all over the place, then yes I would say he's famous. But if he look at it realistically he only has about 50, a number which is not hard to accumulate on google especially when you have your own paper.
I am not racist, I have no vandal friends. I nominated him on my own because I felt that such pages on wikipedia were unwarranted and have set out to prove so. Also I think people are taking this Davos thing way out of control. If I get that linked shoved in my face one more time... Anyway based on the constant use of his title of GLOBAL LEADER and his apparant need for a wikipedia page to validate his own greatness, it just looks to me like the Cult of Laciner is one big megalomaniac trip which I think has no place on wikipedia, that's all. There is no racist motives or anything. And what do you mean by I try to censor all the greatest Turkish academicians on wikipedia? I don't think she's an academician, but the only other one I nominated for deletion was Tayyibe, but now that it seems she was a Turkish parliamentarian I'd say she deserves to stay on it. However I first nominated it because instead of talking about that her page merely highlighted her position with Laciner's organization! I think you must agree being the honorary chairman of the Turkish Weekly alone would not gain oneself a place on wikipedia, and that was what I was acting on, not racist motives (whatever that would mean...). Vartan84 15:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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To see someone's contributions, go to their User page or User talk page, and click the link "User contributions" in the toolbox. If you're using the default skin, you'll find that at the left below the search box.

There is a reason for WP:AUTO, which is that most people who write about themselves tend to introduce bias. However, this is a guideline. It is not against policy to write about yourself. What counts in the end is the content of the article, and not how it was produced (except for copyright violations). Bias can be edited away. The fact that person X starts an article about X does by itself not imply that X is not notable. In fact, the notability requirement leaves not only autobiographers but every article creator with a bit of a problem. You must assert notability in the article itself. Otherwise it may be deleted. So to avoid that risk article creators tend to hedge their bets by emphasizing and thereby often exaggerating importance.

I don't know if English is your first language, but if someone writes, for example, "He was nominated candidate for Nobel Prize", it does not necessarily mean "THE (only) candidate" but usually just "A candidate". Some confusion can be prevented by inserting "as a", but I see no reason to assume that it was formulated as it is in order to mislead the reader. Don't forget that in any case the author of the page is not a native English speaker, and the rules for the use of the articles in English are subtle and complicated. I'm sure the intention was not to come accross as ridiculous, as a suggestion of being THE world leader would indeed be.

When people are of sufficient importance to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia, it is often not for a single reason, but for a combination of factors, each of which is insufficient but adding up to a sufficient level. The difficulty of assessing that level objectively has led to all kinds of notability tests. There is no obvious test to apply in this case. Of course, if you think that ISRO/USAK is a totally insignificant institute, then it adds no weight to the importance of its director. And if you believe that all these books are self-published, well, then of course you reach such conclusions. But here is for example some outside evidence: amazon.co.uk, Antoloji.com (unless you thing the Antoloji.Com website is also being run by Laciner), Online-Katalog Universitäts- und Landesbibliothek Halle (fill in Laciner to the left of "Suchen" and press "Suchen"; 5 of the 7 returned are from Sedat bey).

I'm sure the Ararat book was not a bestseller, but I don't think you can hold it against Laciner that Ararat is not Atom Egoyan's best film (not only in my opinion: [3] [4] [5]) and had only limited release. I'm afraid that your problem is that you have reached some conclusion, and now you can only see things in a way that supports that conclusion. No-one has claimed that Laciner is "world renowned". But you do not need to be "world renowned" to be in Wikipedia. The only claim made is that he is famous in Turkey. Unless you have proof that User:David Falcon is Laciner or an associate, you should not produce accusations such as that this is "proof" of a view of self-importance. It's not a big deal anyway. If you appear regularly on TV in Turkey, well, then you become well known in Turkey, which is all the article states. The main meaning of "famous" is: "widely known".

I don't think you can hold what this person wrote here above against Laciner. Of course I don't expect most Wikipedians to have heard of ISRO/USAK, but I assume that those who participate in the debate do so after having read the article (as per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#How to discuss an AfD/Wikietiquette), so then they would have encountered this. We need not examine Laciner's motives. All we need to examine is the articles themselves.

So if you are willing to believe that this organziation really exists (as it does; they employ a couple dozen people), that it is not "world renowned" but has a certain respectability, publishing several peer-reviewed journals and producing "think tank" reports that are read by policy-makers, it gives some weight to its director. And if he then is well known in Turkey, has written several books, not best sellers, but several published by independent publishing companies like ASAM Yayinlari[6] and Kaknüs Yayinlari[7], and teaches at not Turkey's most prestigious, but still a respectable university, and if he has been not the only, but one of only a few hundred people out of 6 billion inhabitants of this planet to have been selected as A "Young World Leader", doesn't it add up to something? --LambiamTalk 03:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi Vartan

Just wanted to say hi and it's nice to see another Armenian user on here. We also have an Armenian Sisters Academy in California, I didn't know there was one in Pennsylvania. You learn something new every day. Hakob 18:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Barev Vartan

Please feel free to ask any questions you might have about Wikipedia and also consider joining WP:AM.--Eupator 02:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sedat Laciner

Hi,

I agree in you reasoning for deleting this autobiography. However, I noticed that you didnt cast your own vote. Assume you forgot. Bertilvidet 06:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm thinking that since I nominated it for deletion my view is clear and that nominators don't have to leave those "delete" comments. Vartan84 21:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Hi,

Can you please check out this comment? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 22:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Links to your blog

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I've just removed another spamvertisement for your weblog from Greg Packer. You've been asked before, if you persist you may be blocked with no further warning. The "iLoser" text was removed from the image, too, per WP:BLP concerns. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:44, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RCAB

Believe it or not, it's not my blog. Promotion or not aside, why can't the picture remain on the site? Vartan84 15:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed it because of the iLoser+spamvertisement bit. I think the picture adds nothing to the article (Wikipedia is WP:NOT an indiscriminate collection of links and pictures) and is meant to be promotional for your website, but that's a content issue that would need to be resolved independently of administrative action. - CHAIRBOY (☎) 15:49, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

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