User talk:Vanzetti

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- Trysha ^(talk) 16:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] signing comments

Hi there, just a couple of tips, when you leave a comment on a talk page, you should sign it using 4 tilde symbols ~~~~ like this. And if you are replying to a post made by someone else, begin the line with a colon :. Doing these things will enable you to easily tell who replied to what. - Trysha ^(talk) 22:10, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] about Peruvian Hairless Dog

Everyone does the best that he or she can with the information available. We're all random volunteers, like you. So if you have better info and can cite references and sources, please do edit the articles. THanks. If you have any questions, you can also contact me on my talk page, although I don't always check every day. Elf | Talk 21:33, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the updates. It's always helpful to have someone who's familiar with the subject. I question "it's a fact" that the myths have helped the dog survive. Can you cite sources on that? It sounds very much like opinion to me. Elf | Talk 22:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

And you thank you for correcting some language issues. I write better in Dutch. I'll see to broaden this article in the future. Hopefully you can check the language again?

About the fact thing. There are no factual sources that I can relate to at the moment. Execpt for the book "The naked truth" about hairless dogs. And some article in Spanish. Recently I've been in Peru, and I was told, that from the time of the Spanish invasion, these dogs where haunted, because priest told people this where dogs of the devil. In that time peasants in rural area helped the dogs, because they believed in there curative forces.

In this time, most people in Peru think bad about this dog. It is seen as ugly, and not worth looking at. But from the other side, a lot of people believe in supernatural things. And they also believe that this dog have supernatural powers. There there also respect. And that's what keeps the race living. Fortunately public opinion is changing, because of the very hard work of some passionates. The dog was granted a "national protected" status some years ago. And there is recently made a law, that in every ruin site at the coast, some dogs must be hold.Vanzetti

[edit] Boran Dog

That is true, Boran means "ancient" and "primitive", but I have never seen this specific term used on any other dog breeds. Could you please tell me what other dogs of which you have heard the term Boran used? And research has shown me that Boran dogs are not always hairless, as with all hairless breeds, but I am unsure if they are seperate strains of Thai Boran dogs, or simply a coated variety such as the Chinese Crested Dog. I believe we should use the name Thai Boran Dog, without hairless being specified. Do you agree? Vortex 06:49, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

From my quest of finding info on Hairless dogs of thailand, I contacted some breeders of thai ritchback dogs. They told me that the use of Boran dog,for a hairless dog is not correct. Boran dog is used for all kinds of ancient dogs. Therefore,to keep respect for Thai habits, I'd rather feel for a discription with hairless in it. Like Thai Hairless Dog with a link to the nickname Boran Dog. Or Hairless Boran Dog.

It's intresting to know someone who also is intrested in Hairless dogs. Can you tell what the results are on the issue "Boran" dog? I found it very hard to find information, am am eager to learn more about this specific breed.

vanzetti 11:20, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I have not found much online thus far, but when I searched on google all the sites that mentioned the Boran dog had it under the name Thai Boran Dog or simply Boran Dog. Wikipedia seems to be the only site that calls them the Thai Hairless Boran Dog. Here is a site with some info and speculation on the breed, which seems to promote the idea that more than one Thai breed is named the Thai Boran Dog but that only one of those breeds is recognized by the FCI. http://www.bangkaew.com/webboard/view.php?No=330 I agree with this, and I believe it would be correct to call it the Thai Hairless Dog as you have suggested. And yes, I'm extremely interested in ancient and obscure breeds, especially pariah types. Vortex 21:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Well it's always a pleasure to "meet" people that have the same intrest. Me and my wife have special intrests in hairless dogs. Any kind.

For what it's worth : there are only 3 hairless breeds recognized by the FCI. (Mexican, Peruvian and Chinese) Boran dog is not a breed that is recognized by any kennel club (as far as I know). As is f.e. the khala. For what I have read, all the info about the Boran dogs seems to come from 1 source. That source did some research, made some assumptions and spread the word. But unfortunally the research wasn't that good. So now there is some info on the internet that is not completely right. I tried to find the roots of the Thai hairless dog, but I don't understand a bit of thai. So that was a problem. The few people I did communicate with, told me, the dogs are no believed to be extinct. Unfortunally I'm to much occupied to do some more profound digging.vanzetti 04:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

As I said, it was just speculation. But I still agree with the theory that there are several thai breeds under the name of "Boran Dog". I don't believe they're extinct yet. I believe there's still pockets of Thai Hairless Dogs in the region. I shall do further research on this breed, and tell you anything I may find. This, of course, will involve contacting several people, but I think I may gain some insight into the breed. It's been a pleasure to meet you, I always enjoy meeting people with a strong interest in rare breeds as well. Vortex 18:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

(Sorry about my English!) The term Boran Dog is a umbrella name that describes the three known varieties of the Asian Dingo living in Thailand; the Thai Dog (some are pure dingoes, some not so pure), the Siamese Hairless (a hairless Dingo which may be extinct, but some experts still think it may have survived in parts of North-Eastern Thailand), and the original Thai Ridgeback (Mha Kon Klab) or Phu Quoc Dog (a slender ridgeback dingo, which probably exists in some parts of Thailand and on a few islands outside Vietnam, that eventually was made into the bigger and less graceful breed called the Thai Ridgeback).

The Khala, or Bolivian Khala, is not the only hairless not recognized. There is an Ecuadorian Hairless as well, which some think by origin (not known when, but old) is a mix between the Mexican and the standard Peruvian Hairless. I say standard, because the Peruvian Hairless and the Peruvian Inka Orchid (a.k.a. Moonflower Dog) are really two different vaieties of this dog (though not recognized as such by the FCI), as the Peruvian Hairless is always dark (better pigmented). Eventually, there is a hairless Elepahnt Dog as well, a less known vaity of the Mexican Hairless. And in Africa there is a hairless known as the Abyssinian Sand Terrier. And in Manchuria the Manchurian Hairless exists as well, perhaps a varity or a close relative of the Chinese Crested.

The African Elephant Dog (not the same as the above) is probably extinct, as well as the Nubian Hairless (a.k.a. Egyptian Hairless and the Hairless Pyramid Dog by some), the Guatemalan Hairless (a.k.a. Perro sin Pelo del Guatemala), the Hairless Ceylon Dog (a.k.a. the Sri Lanka Hairless), and the Turkish Hairless. 85.164.103.31 22:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your info. It would be so nice to talk to a name instead of a number. Are you the one who wrote the artikel about hairless dog in Bockmal?

It's very interesting you wrote about this. Can you give me some sources, because I'm always intrested to dig into something deeper. As far as my investigations got, I only can asume that almost all of the breeds you name, are extinct. Only the khala and some other varieties in South America are alive, but very rare. From the abyssinian sand terrier, nobody knows if it is still alive. But also, there are no recent pictures, stories. I haven't done research on the asian dogs. It's to hard form for the language. vanzetti 05:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Xoloitzcuintli as food, etc.

Vanzeti, The reason I keep reverting the sentence about Xoloitzcuintli being kept as pets is that it is not sufficient to say that they "are believed" to be kept as pets by the Aztecs, you need a source. In other words, who believes this? At least provide a source for this. Otherwise it reads as your opinion. Also I have reverted the sentence about a lot of people currently believing they have healing powers. I am from Mexico, and have travelled extensively in rural parts of the country. While the article states that Xoloitzcuintli are still consumed as food, I have never ever come across Xoloitzcuintli meat in any market. The Aztecs primarily raised two types of animals for meat, turkeys and Xoloitzcuintli. After the conquest turkey replaced Xoloitzcuintli for the most part. Therefoe, it is quite incorrect to say "many" people still believe them to have healing powers, again, if you want to leave this in please provide a reliable source that states this. Finally, the part about them having "alien (gray)" powers is complete nonsense and does not belong in an encyclopedia. Pretzelogic 00:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)