Talk:Vanessa Blue

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[edit] discussion of the article

Real birth name of an actress should not be added —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.70.251.90 (talk • contribs) .

This has been discussed many times before -- as long as the birth names come from verifiable sources and are not the result of original research, then the information stays. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 19:45, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Real name, redux

(selective copy and paste from a discussion on User talk:AnonEMouse#Vanessa Blue --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC))

I've been in e-mail contact with this article subject, who is complaining about the use of her real name in the article because weirdos see it at Wikipedia and use it to stalk her. I checked into it - the information is sourced to an online Syracuse student newspaper. Videmus Omnia Talk 04:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Side note: that same newspaper reference is used in Lexington Steele's article. I know because I used the same ref to back up his real name. Tabercil 11:39, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Also, I want to emphasize that I am not questioning anyone's good faith - I completely understand the information was added to improve the encyclopedia. In regards to the article subject's privacy, this may be a case of trying to bolt the barn door after the horse has fled, but I'm wondering if there's anything we can (or should) do. Videmus Omnia Talk 12:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Well there is precedent for removing it... I don't have a chance to check right now, but how important is the Syracuse reference to Vanessa's article (as opposed to Lex's)? Tabercil 14:28, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • It looks like it is the only reference on the article, but it is only being used as a reference for her name. She gave me some other information and references that I plan to use to reinforce the article. Also, I advised her to contact the newspaper publisher to request that they redact her name from their online version because of the stalking problem - if they have any humanity hopefully they will do so. But I'm thinking that perhaps we should remove it regardless of what they do, as I don't believe our articles should cause people problems in real life. Videmus Omnia Talk 14:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I gather you two are leaning towards removal; the article doesn't really hinge on the presence of the name, and she's not Charles Manson. But I don't want to put down anything that says that that Daily Orange article isn't a good source, since it's an absolutely excellent source for Lexington Steele, it's not just his name, it's his whole life. I think the "any humanity" thing should be what we're mostly considering. Do we have humanity? Not too much :-), but I think we do have some. And there is a stronger case here, since the Daily Orange article is about Lexington Steele, and only mentions Vanessa Blue in passing. The name is not that important to their article, and their article isn't that important to our article, and the article subject is complaining, we don't want to annoy people unnecessarily. But I see Talk:Vanessa Blue has a comment about the name issue from none other than User:Joe Beaudoin Jr., the first administrator "from" WP:P*. I respect him highly; but it is from a year and a half ago. He's been more active just recently, let's drop him a note, see if he has changed his mind from back then. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Given all that, 4 editors weighing in, several for removal, none against, I think we have at least temporary consensus to take the real name out of the article, on the joint grounds that:

  • the information is not widely spread, we only have one source
  • that source doesn't really focus on the article subject, only mentioning the information in passing
  • and that our article on the subject doesn't really hinge on the information
  • while the article subject seems to be personally hurt by it, and is nicely asking us to remove it
  • and that we are at least somewhat human. (Or muscine, as the case may be.)

If anyone disagrees, please let's discuss it here on the talk page first (without mentioning the name itself). --AnonEMouse (squeak) 18:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

If the subject makes a reasonable request for privacy, especially in an industry in which the use of pseudonyms is the norm, I think we should respect it. I just can't get over the fact that YOU GOT AN E-MAIL MESSAGE FROM VANESSA BLUE! image:smile.png — Malik Shabazz (Talk | contribs) 03:03, 28 August 2007 (UTC)