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[edit] Split and reduction of season-by-season record

I have decided to try a concept practiced with some other pages, notably Chicago Bears and Chicago Bears seasons, to help reduce the size of the main team articles by moving content to child articles. I have used the Calgary Flames/Calgary Flames seasons and the Canucks as concept articles/tests. I did want to leave a partial history in the main article, however, and I feel the last five years is a logical breakpoint. If met with general approval, this is a change that I intend to propose at WP:HOCKEY/Team pages format, and to do across all teams. Please offer any comments. Thanks, Resolute 04:19, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is, the main article itself is not that large at all when it comes to the Vancouver Canucks. Agreed it might be a little bit stuffed, but moving entire sections to whole new pages isnt exactly what we need to be doing. Also reducing the past couple seasons to one lines in the playoffs makes a team's achievement, in this case the Canucks, seem 'meh'. I am going to re-add the past post-seasons for the past five years. Nick8670 10:40 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually that's exactly what wiki strives to do. Have very specific pages so when pages start to get to a certain size you split off portions of the page into new pages. That is how wikipedia grows. This new format for seasons has been somewhat accepted by the WikiProject Hockey as the new way to do team pages. It may not make much sense for some of the newer teams but when you think of the original six you will see why it needs to be done. And we can't just do some team pages. All team pages must be done to maintain consistency. --Djsasso 19:49, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, we could do it for some, but a complete set of articles looks much more professional, imo. In the case of the Canucks, splitting it off allowed me to also expand more into their PCHL/WHL days, creating a fairly significant list of Vancouver Canucks history. It also did take a pretty good chunk of size off this article.
Also, I disagree that reducing the playoff result in the team article trivializes the teams accomplishments. I decided that reducing to a single line is preferable after looking at how the Flames and Oilers 5 season list came out. One long playoff run greatly unbalances the look of the chart. I reduced all teams to one line for consistancy. Vancouver Canucks seasons lists the full playoff results, while 2006–07 Vancouver Canucks season describes the playoff run in full detail. The information is there, and has been expanded upon. This article is simply the portal to those articles, as it should be. Resolute 23:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Owner

Shouldn't the owner be Aquilini Investment Group instead of Francesco Aquilini? He doesn't own the team himself. Marcus1060 02:45, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logos & Jerseys section

I suggest we reformat this section to the one that is on the Anaheim Ducks page (Team Colors & Mascot)..I would suggest if it were presented (/w pics) the same way. There's been at least 6 jersey sets (not counting Alternate/3rd & 4th jerseys) used by the Canucks, and I can provide what changed:

Set 1 (70–72)

These had "V"s on the arms.

Set 2 (72–78)

The "V"s were removed and the striping design changed.

Set 3/Terrible V's

Self-explanitory, used for 6 seasons...

Set 4 (??-91/92)

The giant V's were moved to the shoulders, and the skate is now the crest.

Set 5 (91/92–97)

White comes in for home jerseys, and Vs ultimatly removed. The (somewhat) V-like style would be ressurected in 95/96 for the 3rd jersey (the red one).

Set 6 (97-Pres)

Current jerseys. Minor additions in the 03–04 season added the Stick logo to the shoulders in current team colors. 3rd jersey for this set is the "Salmon" jersey, removed from the stocks this past season in favor of the 72–78 Away jersey. The Home version of the 72–78 jersey was used in the Vintage Program a few seasons ago..


For the logos, I would describe the logos like on the Ducks page as well...
Sandtrooper 03:35, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Messier Leadership Award

Should this award really be listed? Other monthly honours have not been included and doing so would be fairly dumb. They aren't major awards. You'd be listing accomplishments like Jason King's Rookie of the Month honour, or Dan Cloutier's award as top defensive player of the month from a few years back. 154.20.184.86 22:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. I would think that monthly awards would be better suited to the season articles, i.e.: 2006–07 Vancouver Canucks season. Resolute 23:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Jersey section needs more pics, specifically of what the current jerseys look like. Also, the team mascot needs to be mentioned somewhere. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 05:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Photos of jerseys are somewhat problematic, since other than fans in the stands with a camera, very few of them pass the fairly-harsh fair use rules. As far as mascots go, I disagree; at the NHL level, almost all team mascots are desperately trivial, and few fans could name them if they tried. (I certainly couldn't name the Bruins' mascot except in so far as it's in a bear costume.)  RGTraynor  13:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Just to add a point about their current jersey - the NHL has implemented new Reebok jerseys to be used by all teams this year; and the Canucks have yet to unveil theirs. Thricecube 19:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

My problem with that is two-fold; 1) some NHL team pages name their mascot, so I think they either all should or shouldn't, that is have some similar structure. 2) the team mascots are part of the franchise, and aren't we trying to provide as much info as we can about the organizations? Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 17:19, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

In like fashion, the assistant equipment managers and the head ushers in the arenas are part of the franchises.  RGTraynor  19:18, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I had no idea I was communicating with a child. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 21:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

To try and avoid what looks like a looming conflict, I will provide some information. The jerseys are going to essentially need user photos, of which most people tend to not focus their attention on. The mascots are all well covered in their corresponding articles, which is listed here. Not every team has a mascot, and the ones that do, their team articles each have a link to the mascot's page. Kaiser matias 22:33, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologize for my comment, as I do not like to be mocked. My whole deal is this; some team pages have a section for their mascot and jerseys while others have neither. I guess I just think that having similar team pages in terms of structure will provide for an easier read to wikipedians and all who visit the articles. Having a link is great, but honestly I see no problem with mentioning the mascot in the main text. I reviewed all 30 team pages, so you'll probably see my comments all over. I can tell you now that if the page did not mention the team mascot or have a suitable jersey section, then I wrote about it. I apologize in advance if this is going to be a problem for everyone. I will do what I can to edit the articles as well. We're all here to make the pages look the best they possibly can, so I'm just trying not to miss anything. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 04:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You were not being mocked, and the notion that drawing a comparison angers you into insult isn't a good sign; I strongly recommend you review WP:CIVIL (as well as Wikipedia's other policies, seeing as you are a newcomer). That being said, the hockey Wikiproject long since agreed on the utility of some common elements and on the information we wished each page to have. Mascots have not been among those items. Please feel free to discuss such common elements on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey.  RGTraynor  16:21, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

And I suggest that you review WP:CIVIL as well, seeing that at the bottom of the "page in a nutshell" paragraph it clearly states "and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally. ;) I will take my comments to the main ice hockey project page, so thank you for that tip. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 18:26, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm being ignorant by saying this, but I fail to see anything offensive being said in this topic.Thricecube 20:37, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm at a loss myself, I admit.  RGTraynor  21:10, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Different POV's call for different interpretations. I respect everyone elses POV, so please respect mine. This issue has been settled though, so let's move onto what really matters, which is making the team pages the best they can be. Love each other, or perish. ~Auden 22:09, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The pre-NHL captains

Does anybody have a list of these guys. I'm assuming they belong in the captains section. GoodDay 22:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The 1994 Stanley Cup run

This article states that the riot took place after the Canucks lost game 7, caused by 'disappointed' fans who were 'drinking heavily', which is incorrect. The riot took place after Game SIX, which the Canucks WON, and the riot was caused by happy enthusiastic fans who had been drinking heavily and were aggressively confronted by police riot squads after a beat cop got punched in the middle of the crowd. Most of the 'rioters' didn't even know that happened until they got home and watched the news on TV, all they knew during the 'riot' was that they were being attacked by cops in riot gear firing teargas and rubber bullets (one which struck a guy in the head and put him in a coma for a couple weeks). Game 7 took place in New York City, which is why there were not Vancouver fans on the streets of downtown Vancouver to cause any riot out of 'disappointment'. Game Six took place in Vancouver, so all the fans poured out of the arena, and everyone who was watching it on TV headed downtown to celebrate the WIN with fellow fans. Hockey riot out of 'disappointment'.. AS IF! This is pretty shoddy fact checking, folks... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.180.67.209 (talk • contribs) 00:13, November 21, 2007

Having watched with disappointment as the Canucks lost Game 7, I can tell you that the riot didn't start after game 6, it was indeed game 7. As a simple glance at the relevent article, 1994 Stanley Cup riot states, with several newspaper sources to back the claim, it was after game 7. Now the choice of wording on how to describe the participants of the riot can be seen as questionable, however it does not deter from the fact that the riot was happening while the Canucks were in New York, proving the fact checking has been done properly. Kaiser matias (talk) 08:52, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Charity & Fundraisers

Where do you think an article stub detailing charitable involvments of the Canucks would best be suited? AlphaDolphin (talk) 17:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)AlphaDolphin

In Calgary Flames, I created a section called "Community impact", which includeds some of their charity work. A similar section could work here. Resolute 17:54, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Captains and Assistant Captain Mess

I noticed that there are frequent edits regarding who is wearing the "A". May I suggest that we instead of slapping a "A" on a player who was wearing one at a random game, we stick to what is listed on the Canucks roster? ThePointblank (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Team awards

What does anyone think about adding a section for team awards (ie. Cyclone Taylor Award, Most Exciting Player Award) that lists perhaps the most recent winners and/or the most prolific recipients? Orlandkurtenbach 01:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

  • I agree and I'm gonna make a section about it right now $$Annoyomous24$$ (talk) 00:43, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • In general we don't place team awards on the main page as they aren't as notable as league awards. What I believe some other teams have done is split off the records to their own page and added team awards to that page. -Djsasso (talk) 16:44, 27 May 2008 (UTC)