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[edit] Earlier Discussions

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  • On August 18, 2005, VANK's attempt was successful in removing Sea of Japan in Google Earth, replacing it with East Sea. Furious Japanese hackers attacked VANK's web server by posting large volumes of messages containing insults about Korea and VANK's attempts.

It needs sources and an explaination. What exaclty was changed? Did Google Earth change all the Sea of Japans to EAst Seas? Did they just change the ones in Korean contexts? What exactly was changed? Cite sources (in English) and clearer information. Masterhatch 23 August 2005

Masterbatch, I have put the sources here, and stop deleting others work just because you feel something is missing. Instead, try to contribute to the information that's already there.
So, you gave a link to a Korean website on English Wikipedia. Could you provide an English source, please?. Also, you still haven't answered my questions. Did Google Earth change all the Sea of Japans to East Seas, or just the ones in Korean contexts? You must make that clear in your edit. If it only changed the name in Korean context, that must be mentioned. If it changed all the names, that must be mentioned. Your posts must be clear and NPOV. That is why i reverted so many of them. I will give you time to make your post NPOV and clear and to cite an English source. Since you claim (at least I think this is what you are claiming) that Google Earth changed the English name, you must come up with an English source for your post. Masterhatch 23 August 2005
The answer to your question is clear as is in the paragraph. Google Earth REMOVED Sea of Japan and REPLACED it with East Sea. The Chosun-ilbo article seems to be neutral as is, web savvy people of two countries fighting each other. Again, I strongly suggest you trying to stop making arguments about lack of sources etc. If you think there is a lack of sources, why don't you look for them yourselves. Don't just delete information because you don't know about it. I suggest self-research on this matter for your own enrichment. But, I do appreciate your effort in making this article legitimate, clear, and NPOV.
Thank you. That reads much better now. I actually never doubted whether Google Earth changed the names or not. I looked for, and couldn't find where they changed the names. It was unclear if it was only in Korean contexts or all contexts. That was my biggest beef, the unclear information. Masterhatch 24 August 2005

This is source. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krbBdaxJRZM Are YOu OK?118.6.213.189 (talk) 00:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

That is not even a reliable source. So DO NOT VANDALIZE the article belonged to ENCYCLOPEDIA. Thanks--Appletrees (talk) 00:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hackers?

The people who atacked VANK's server were not hackers, but 2ch users.--Mochi 10:00, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Moved from article page

[edit] Who, and How guarantees the rightness of a South Korean "Facts" ?

VANK also actively attempts to correct misconceived historical or cultural facts, from Korean aspect, on the Internet, by sending e-mails. Especially, VANK sends e-mails to webmasters who are in charge of websites that contain, in their opinion, distorted information about Korea.

It becomes a premise of this description that the Korean "facts" are right. However, when their "facts" is wrong, they will have transmitted the wrong "facts" to the world. Therefore, this description is not neutral. "Facts" should rewrite as "Opinions".Objectman 02:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

in their opinion... thought by koreans" is redundant, and interpretation comes from a perspective, as history can have different interpretation of facts. Yoonhan 09:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, thanksObjectman 09:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not satisfied with this. Even though one could argue that all historical interpretations are ultimately affected by political motivations, an encyclopedia has to reflect the general consensus where one exists. On matters such as movable type, the Sea of Japan or with the Liancourt rocks, VANK is known to support fringe ideas. It's very questionable for Wikipedia to take an extreme relativist view here, since some of their ideas are demonstrably wrong. --NoAccountYet

[edit] Neutral Point of View Disputation

First, let me go on record as NOT being a fan of VANK and their abusive, spam like activities. However, as a wikipedian, I think the language in this article can be cleaned up to a NPOV. Neutral language can still leave VANK's activities in a bad light. Here's an example of some language that I think is problematic in this article:

Seeing as how the Japanese had annexed and colonised Korea isn't it just possible that there was payback in the latter stages of WW2 against the Japanese by Koreans? Unfortunately VANK are not rational people and are incapable of writing a history worth reading in order to let people decide for themselves.

What we have is a question (not a statement of fact) followed by a possible ad hominem attack ("VANK are not rational"). Again, this is not a defense of VANK, it is an attempt to bring the article up to wikipedia NPOV standards - Quartermaster 16:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Please explain how their actions are abusive and "spam-like". --DandanxD 13:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

I took a stab at cleaning this up. Right now it is really just a collection of polemical points of view. It would be great if everyone who cares about this article could do some research and come up with some facts to support the numerous unsupported assertions. Alexwoods 18:44, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Restubbed

I erased almost all the existing content and replaced it with information referenced to independent sources. We're an encyclopedia; we don't exist just to repeat what they have to say about themselves on their own website. When you add facts, try to verify it with a newspaper or other non-self-published sources. Per WP:V#Sources in languages other than English, non-English sources are permitted; for the moment, I've used mostly English sources. cab 00:45, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

(agree) Agreed. Citation should be objective. --221.190.253.70 (talk) 08:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC)