Talk:Valerie Solanas

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[edit] copy?

This entire article is copied from http://www.world-of-celebrities.com/valerie_solanas/. Copyright issues? Shall we re-word?

Actually, they're grabbing the content from us. Mindspillage | spill your mind? 20:25, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Well, then I'm glad it's a faily well-written, informative article. ;-) Somercet 02:32, Jan 21, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link to SCUM Manifesto

I would like to request that unless the link goes down irevokably, that editors (especially IP guests) please just leave the link to the SCUM Manifesto AS IT IS. Why?

  1. There is NO original online source for the SCUM Manifesto. The original source is a paper BOOK and all online sources are republications of that book.
  2. The Womynkind source has been around for years, and is quite stable.
  3. It is also the only one I have seen with a graphic, which is nice to offer people
  4. It doesn't attempt to clothe the writing in its own politics - readers can read the piece and surf out. Whereas other sites (Church of Euthanasia, reactor-core etc) attempt to use the SCUM Manifesto to give credence to an alterior political position (which may or may not be tennable, but is certainly not in line with Solanas' writings).
  5. This is a high-controvery topic, and we owe it to our readers (and the topic itself) to treat it with dignity and fairness. This means balanced writing, factual writing, and rising above petty point-scoring attempts to get hits on a controversial website.

If you're not interested in Solanas, then please just surf away to another wikipedia page (they are many and varied), but please don't resort to vandalism! An An 06:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Somercet July 6, 2005 19:03 (UTC)
Allow me to further elaborate on my remark above. I was not aware that reactor-core.com is a Christian site (nothing wrong with that) that prefaces the Manifesto with Bible quotes. (If Wikipedia is to link to ANY PD authorial works, we should prefer the links that come without extra content.) I am all too aware of the Church of Euthanasia and their positions.
Aside from strident anti-rape rhetoric (understandable), womynkind.org looks pretty harmless (especially compared to Ch.ofEuth.). If you follow the link to Solanas' bio on womynkind, however, you get this at the end of a long, and, may I say, very blunt bio:
Compiled by Freddie Baer
(with a great deal of thanks to Donny Smith)
P.S. Valerie you will always be my personal hero!!!!!!
Uh.... Unless the bio compiler suffers from mental illness as Solanas did, or admires her marksmanship or her panhandling, this comment is hard to accept. Frankly, I have always thought the reported comments from Robin Morgan et al. were perfectly subtle putdowns of the militant feminists. Solanas may have been crazy, may have been a funny writer, but shooting Warhol was beyond the pale. So what if she's an insightful commentator? David Horowitz would have a field day with that entire paragraph and rightly so.
But that is neither here nor there.
I am DELETING the link to the SCUM Manifesto. I will leave a comment in the External links to this effect: the work is under copyright, as you can see here on Wikisource. I am also emailing womynkind.org and informing them about the copyright issue. If they know how to reach the holder, I will write and ask her permission to reprint the Manifesto on Wikisource, which will also bring this dreary link war to an end.
Thank you for reading this far. Somercet 08:15, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
Any news? It's pretty important to link to it. Even though linking to copyrighted material is against the rules, this is a fairly exceptional case. Perhaps fair use applies? — Omegatron 21:55, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "American feminist criminal" is NPOV

To people who keep deleting the "criminal" from the lead: Solanas is known today solely because she shot Andy Warhol. In slightly different words, her only claim to fame is attempted homicide. Not stating that she was a criminal is, I think, way more biased than doing so. "Raving nutcase" would clearly not be NPOV, but "criminal" is just a fact. Mstroeck

You could make it "attempted murderer" or something more specific. — Omegatron 14:11, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry, forgot to sign last message. The article has said for a long time: "... was an American feminist criminal who gained notoriety for her attempted murder of artist Andy Warhol." I think that's NPOV. Mstroeck 14:16, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Close, but the word "criminal" wouldn't usually appear in the first paragraph, even for a notorious murderer. It would just say "notorious murderer". It is a tiny bit POV. Just explicitly saying what she was convicted for would be better. — Omegatron 21:53, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
Sorry to have reopened this debate but describing her as an American feminist criminal is really odd. You wouldn't describe Lee Harvey Oswald as an American criminal. In the article it says she went to Europe so why not decribe her as an American feminist tourist? Charlie
Actually, I think describing her as something other than "the woman who shot Andy Warhol" is odd. As an "American", no one knows her. As a "feminist" she's completely forgettable (and would be an unknown feminist if not for the attempted murders). Even as a "criminal", she's small potatos. Her renoun, such as it is, is simply that she almost killed Andy Warhol. - Nunh-huh 01:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I think that you are not entirely correct in this regard. Solanas's manifesto is actually quite popular in some circles (cult classic-esque) and is still in print. The popularity of this manifesto relates to her role as a feminist writer (satirist?), not a criminal. - N1h1l 02:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Its true. She was actually published before she attempted to kill Warhol. He writing is still notable today independant of her crime. AnAn 02:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
"SCUM Manifesto" + "attempted murder of Andy Warhol" = "15 minutes of fame". "SCUM Manifesto" without "attempted murder of Andy Warhol" = forgotten writer. - Nunh-huh 03:34, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Sounds like an unverifiable opinion based on your judgement of the manifesto's quality. - N1h1l 03:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
I suppose that would be why it's on a talk page, then. Even though it's correct! - Nunh-huh 03:58, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough! :) - N1h1l 04:01, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Category: Bisexual writers

Does anybody know why this is in the categories? I thought there was a consensus that people are categorized as LGBT (and by extension, subcategories) only when they status as such is mentioned in the article? Or was that tidbit deleted at some point along the way?--Rockero 18:16, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

what bothers me is that almost every source I can find cites her as lesbian, not bisexual. The only citations I can find for bisexuality are Wikipedia mirrors and NNDB, not the most reliable resource around. I'd like to replace the category with "lesbian writers" but I'm not sure if the dispute has been brought up before. LeaHazel : talk : contribs 09:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Feel free. I don't think that there is any disagreement... - N1h1l 14:55, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yellow Smiley

Although the editors on this talk page are unlikely to engage in anything less than polite discussion, this Yellow Smiley will nonetheless serve as a reminder for any future editors who may occasionally be tempted to lapse. Courtesy of the Random Smiley Project.

User:Pedia-I/SmileyTalkPage1

I'd rather see an Warhol version of that Smiley -- its too bad that he was in such ill health for the last parts of his life. If only... -- CaptainMike 16:24, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ultra Violet's last phone call with Solanas

There was a significant phone call Solanas reportedly had with Ultra Violet toward the end of her life. Ultra called her under an assumed name and spoke with her regarding the event. Solanas asked about the well being of the Factory regulars and Ultra Violet responded that they were all dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.187.77.211 (talk) 00:17, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lou Reed

I thought "Andy's Chest" on Transformer was also about Solanas.--Humphrey20020 (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2008 (UTC)