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Contents 1 South America 2 The West 3 Commercial Holiday, Marketing & Industry Issues 3.1 White day in Japan 4 History of the Valentine's Day Card with Heart 5 Please vet my changes 6 Lead 7 Valentine's Day in Asia 8 Lupercalia 9 Linked fron 4chan

[edit] South America

Valentine's day is also celebrated in all of south america. In the article it says it's a holiday celebrated in North america and Erurope which is wrong because you don't mention South America (only in a few lines at the end of the article) which happens to occupy a big part of planet earth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.209.185.240 (talk) 06:36, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The West

it is the afecial adriana garcia day Western World. Please take this into account and rename the sections. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.78.97.137 (talk) 11:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Commercial Holiday, Marketing & Industry Issues

I don't have edit access yet. There is a citation needed after, "The association estimates that women purchase approximately 85 percent of all valentines." This could reference American Greetings's information at http://pressroom.americangreetings.com/archives/val07/valbiz07.html Greg searle 19:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Seems while talking about the commercialisation of valentines day, stats about sales of contraceptives might be relevant. (aside: Can anyone find a source for such information? I gave it a quick google and ended up with a whack of all things.) Even if it's judged not entirely appopriate or whatever, it would be useful to have such information (if it exists) linked from the discussion page at the very least. 203.171.85.67 12:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Why doesnt' this article detail the conflicts that arise from the Rose industry, the diamond industry, and the chocolate industry, whom all recieve large profits from this holiday, such as child soldiers, killing, and child slavery.. Please update this. Dkceaser 01:32, 15 February 2007 (UTC)dkceaser

Um, provide verifiable information from reliable sources, and we'll talk. --Not a dog 02:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I was pretty shocked to not see a criticism section on this wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowicide (talk • contribs) 17:53, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] White day in Japan

As there seems to be some interest in the marketing origins of holiday customs: I have been told on a couple of occasions, while living in Japan, that white day was originally started by a marshmallow company. I don't have a reliable source for this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 220.108.87.252 (talk) 23:57, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

If Valentine's Day in Japan is similar to the American version, it is grossly commercialized, but it's the consumer's fault, not industry's. If you didn't buy this stuff, they wouldn't produce it and offer it for sale. Why not write a good old fashioned love note, or buy regular gifts rather than Valentine's themed ones? If enough people did that, all the commercialism would go away. Applejuicefool (talk) 16:54, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] History of the Valentine's Day Card with Heart

Many centuries ago It became fashionable for a woman to give to her husband or loved one a remembrance of herself as he would be leaving her for a span of time for business or war.

Here is a description of these ancient valentines. A woman would procure a good piece of cloth or leather, ( paper was rare ). Then she used dye ( expensive ), or a good quality mud mixed with local minerals or plant extracts. She dipped her bottom in the dye including her genitals, then sat down on the cloth and rocked her bottom a few times to get a good imprint on the substrate ( cloth ). This would leave a print of her bottom and genitals on the cloth which she let dry, then folded her gift ( the valentine ) and gave it to her husband as a keep sake. To remind him of what he might miss if he was unfaithful, and for love. The print left by her bottom on the cloth very closely resembles the Heart shape that we see today on Valentine Cards. It is this shape of a woman's bottom that created the valentine heart, it is not representative of a heart which pumps blood. Turn a valentines heart upside down and you will get a general picture.

How many centuries ago, and where? Source this? --Ellydishes (talk) 23:50, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please vet my changes

I've reworked the unsourced (and ticketed) assertions to bring them into line with the references. Please check that they are accurate, though unsentimental. I've added the ref. to Catholic Encyclopedia on St. Valentine, because someone was asserting here that the day was declared by "the pope" in 496. --Wetman (talk) 22:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

FläskRöv —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.52.14.8 (talk) 09:09, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lead

The second sentence in the lead says "in North America" ... however, the article does not go into any detail about other continents. I believe this section could use some addition to get a worldwide perspective. any opinions> Kushal^t 02:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Valentine's Day in Asia

I have read about how women in Japan feel compelled to give Valentine's day gifts to co-workers, but not about what the women do in China or Korea. Is this a case of "lumping all the East Asians" together, or is there some kind of reference we can all read about? -- A girl from Hong Kong who was never pressured about giving gifts to boys for Valentine's Day. (tessc (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

I have reworded this section. Hopefully its clearer. --tessc (talk) 20:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Valentine's Day is also Prevelent in India and its Mostly Celebrated in major Cities,On the day young boys and girls could be seen exchanging flowers and Choclates. Shops Could be seen adorned in Red "The color of Love" seling Valtentines Day Gifts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.105.177 (talk) 20:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lupercalia

The two paragraphs on Lupercalia make no sense here. There's no context to tell us how this fits into Valentines day traditions other than that it was celebrated around Feb 14. The details provided are completely irrelevant. If anything, ancient Roman fertility rites were probably more likely attached to Easter celebrations, anyway.

I'm going to cut everything on Lupercalia way back. It might deserve short mention (though I think it might be best just inserted as a link in the "See also" section), but this much detail detracts from the article. Sχeptomaniac^{χαιρετε} 15:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Linked fron 4chan

This page has been linked from the /b/ board on 4chan.org please watch for vandals--→LzyGenius 09:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)