Talk:Vaccination and religion
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[edit] Sources
Dutch: http://new.hst.org.za/news/index.php/20030624/
Dwight: http://lowcountry.humanists.net/SEPS/sep-2001-11.html (secondary or tertiary though)
- In this connection we may quote the words of the learned Protestant divine, Rev. Timothy Dwight, who served as president of Yale University from 1795 to 1817. Rev. Dwight is on record as stating: 'If God had decreed from all eternity that a certain person should die of smallpox, it would be a frightful sin to avoid and annul that decree by the trick of vaccination.' [Cited in John Shelby Spong's book, 'Why Christianity Must Change or Die', (Harper Collins, 1999), pp. 7-8. ISBN: 0060675365 ] from http://www.noosphere.cc/eugenics.html viewed July 2006
Midgley 21:00, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] NPOV/Weasel
Theres a line in there somewhere that has weasel words or something like that. I cant remember where it is. maybe someone deleted it already. If it isn't there, please delete the NPOV tag and disregard this message.
I'm not seeing a POV problem (although it's hard to tell amidst the style problems). There are a lot of unsupported statements, marked as needing citations, but there's not enough flow to result in a bias, I think.Lisamh 01:40, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Timothy Dwight Quote
I have searched around to find the location of the Dwight quote. It is certainly present in a number of other works but none of these texts has a direct reference that I can see. I am now seriously thinking that the quote was either false, or that it was out of context.
I have a feeling that Dwight may have really said it... but said it in a way as to be sarcastic or satirical. He was probably quite supportive of vaccinations, but may have also been quite against theological fatalists. His quote was thus designed to critique fatalists.
The reason I point this out is that Dwight was not strictly Calvinist. That is, he did not necessarily agree with the standard Calvinist line of the day. Moreover, there seems to be evidence that he had quite a high regard for science and reason.[1]
Certainly Nathaniel William Taylor, one of his proteges, completely abandoned fatalism and embraced "common sense" and "scientific reasoning".
But, as yet, I have found no hard evidence. If anyone else can please modify the article and link it. Thanks.
--One Salient Oversight 15:49, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Against God's will?
How do we know it wasn't God's will for someone to be saved by vaccination? Maybe he wanted that person to be saved. --M1ss1ontomars2k4 17:46, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Christian Science
"Christian Scientists care about their neighbors and fellow community members and gladly abide by city and state laws or mandates regarding quarantines, vaccinations, and the like." http://www.christianscience.com/questions-christian-science-faq.html
Is this a valid source? It seems to contradict what is written in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.132.6.17 (talk) 19:03, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
- The page is linked from Christian Science, but not used as a reference and it gets very few links on Google. If it is a reliable source, it is only as a reference for the organization's opinion. I do not doubt their statement that Christian Scientists care about their friends, neighbors, and children, but they do not cite any examples of compliance. I will see if I can dig up a reference for the currently uncited sentence on their support or opposition to vaccination as a doctrinal tenet and as level of action in the community. - Eldereft ~(s)talk~ 23:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
