Talk:USNS Stalwart (T-AGOS-1)

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    [edit] History

    I'd like to see more of the history of the Stalwart in this article. For instance, it used to be USS Stalwart. How about some of the accomplishments, like the 3.1 metric tons of cocaine we helped the USS John A. Moore (FFG-19) seize and the approx. 150 refugees we saved in 2000. If only someone could find some sources with this information. I can't find anything, but I was there and know it happened. Also, their was a different USS Stalwart many years before this one. So, I believe that page shouldn't be redirected here. It should be a disambiguation page leading to an article about that Stalwart and another article for this one. Also, what is the Stalwart currently called? Is it still USNS or MV Stalwart or what? --JAYMEDINC 02:34, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    Generally, a subject matter expert like yourself would take the initiative to make the changes rather than request the changes be done by someone else who doesn't have similar experience. The only problem you will run into is citations. Even though you may have helped carry the drugs off the intercepted boats, you still need a Navy press release or something else to reference. It is also good to work from public released info since sometimes you may know more than what you are allowed to tell. As for the USS Stalwart, here are some links you can to use DANFS when you create the article. USS Stalwart AMC-105 USS Stalwart MSO-493 Oddly, NVR lists most of the MSO type ships except MSO-493. SUNY Maritime College owns the ex-USNS Stalwart, but their website only calls it "The Stalwart" in the few spots I could find. --Dual Freq 03:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Yes, the reason I didn't change anything is because I have no citations and I was hoping someone else does. Thank you for the other USS Stalwart websites. I did see the photo caption referring to it as USTS Stalwart after I asked the question. --JAYMEDINC 03:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
    Well, I just spent the whole night learning about my old ship's preceding Stalwarts while making a disambig page. Australia and the UK had Stalwarts too. All these ships should be easier to find now, as I think I have created a good base to start from. --JAYMEDINC 05:17, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    Per Navsource and NVR it seems like AGOS-1 was never commissioned as USS Stalwart. It seems like Stalwart entered service as USNS Stalwart April 12, 1984. The AGOS-1 [1] from Navsource even shows the blue and gold stripes on the stacks that I always associate with USNS ships. No SPS-49 in the image so I assume it was taken prior to the conversion in the early 1990s. Was USNS Stalwart (T-AGOS-1) ever commissioned USS Stalwart (AGOS-1)? --Dual Freq 14:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    This is only from memory, but I am almost positive that she was USS Stalwart when it was an anti-sub ship and the SPS-49 was added in the late 90s. I also know that the correct typing is T-AGOS 1 vice T-AGOS-1. As explained to me, if it is the first ship of it's class, the "-" isn't there. Not sure if that is the true reason, but I do know we never used the "-" when writing or typing it.

    DOD images has some images you may like. Type Stalwart into the search box and you'll get 30 images, most are of the USNS Stalwart. Type T-AGOS-1 and you get 8 other ones taken after the air search conversion. The sign at the launching ceremony reads USNS Stalwart and it says U. S. Naval Ship Stalwart on the hull. I'll probably upload a before conversion and after conversion image later. --Dual Freq 20:26, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

    Wow, great find! Definate proof that she was never USS Stalwart. And it also appears that it may have never been (AGOS 1). At least I got one thing right. It shows (T-AGOS 1) typed without the "-". The sea stories I heard about it previously being USS were fiction. Nothing unusual about a sea story that isn't true. They must've just had their facts mixed up, thinking the previous minesweeper Stalwarts were this one.

    Found an article supporting my earlier statement about the lives saved. Don't know exactly what to do with it, so I am linking it here for now. [2] --JAYMEDINC 23:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] T-AGOS Project Office

    I would like to find some info on the T-AGOS Project Office out of NAB Little Creek, Virginia. They were in charge of all the T-AGOS vessels when I was on the USNS Stalwart in 2000-2001. I can't find anything on them telling me if they still exist. I would be interested in having them mentioned appropriately here. --JAYMEDINC 20:21, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

    I'm probably the only one that has this page on their watchlist, so you may not get any other answers here. I'm not sure where else to ask this question, maybe Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Military_history/Maritime_warfare_task_force, but this is a pretty specific question that they may not be able to help with. I have no special knowledge on the project, but after a Google search the best I can do is show what I believe may be the current program office: Special Mission Program USNS Invincible (T-AGM-24) is part of that program as are current T-AGOS ships. --Dual Freq 00:04, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

    That description sounds just like the old T-AGOS Project Office. They must've changed the name of it. Thanks again --JAYMEDINC 00:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

    [edit] Hull number

    While sometimes the Navy doesn't use dashes in the hull numbers, it is the convention at Wikipedia to do so. We also predisambiguate all ships by using their hull number in the article name. Thanks. Jinian 19:38, 22 December 2006 (UTC)