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[edit] Southern

Ushuaia is not the Southernmost city in the world, that dubious honor belongs to Puerto Williams, which is southeast of Ushuaia across the Beagle Channel.

However, for tourism purposes, Ushuaia bills itself as the southermost city on Earth, and it is thus that many people actually believe it to be so.

The way I've heard it is that Ushuaia gets to be southernmost "city", while Puerto Williams, being smaller, is southernmost "town". But as we know from town and city, the dividing line is not precise, and would technically depend on Argentina's and Chile's official definitions of the terms - for instance, in some states of the US, even very small places can call themselves "cities" if they've been incorporated with the right paperwork. (This is worth a paragraph of explanation in the article, btw.) Stan 13:06, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Is there a Spanish word for town? SqueakBox 16:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Southernmost PERMANENT ESTABLISHMENT: Puerto Toro, Chile, about 120 km south of Puerto Williams, Chile. That deserves the title. --NicAgent 02:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
You have permanent establishments in the Antarctica. Puerto Williams has less than 2,000 inhabitants, hardly a city. Anyhow, the article says sometimes considered, which is true. Mariano(t/c) 09:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Southernmost PERMANENT ESTABLISHMENT: Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station. Can we get over the Guinness Book bragging rights now? Kthxbye. --76.209.58.121 16:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Ushuaia is certainly the world's southernmost city, since its population is north of 50,000. I think we have to accept Argentine usage in this case: Ushuaia has a city government and is also the provincial capital. Puerto Williams by contrast is scarcely even a town, more of a village (2400 people), and all other more southerly contenders are reckoned in the dozens of people. I say leave the usage. Erik 18:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC

As long as this is referenced (and in Spanish is fine) we can say this, SqueakBox 18:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


I would agree to the differentiation between Ushuaia and Puerto Williams, since Ushuaia has organized transportation, independent hospital and institutions of higher learning. All these fit the classification of City, as wikipedia states in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City, that a City is "an urban settlement with a particularly important status which differentiates it from a town."

Puerto Williams should be considered the southernmost town, although it is mainly made up of Naval personnel, and Ushuaia should be considered the southernmost City.

[edit] the Lighthouse at the End of the World

From the article: "Some tours also visit the Lighthouse at the End of the World, made famous by Jules Verne in the novel of the same name." -- I've been to Ushuaia and I visited this lighthouse, I'm just wandering if this lighthouse really is the one Jules Verne was referring to. If it is so (if it is confirmed, with sources, the complete package), maybe a link to the Lighthouse at the End of the World should be provided in this paragraph, and at the novel's article a link pointing to this article as a reference to the lighthouse Jules Verne was writing about in the novel. Anyone knows if this is confirmed? --A/B 'Shipper 女 (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this belongs in the article, but if we want to include references to culture, it's worth mentioning that the film Happy Together features the lighthouse at Ushuaia rather prominently.

According to the article The Lighthouse at the End of the World he was inspired by a lighthouse in Isla de los Estados. If its true this lighthouse are not the same as the lighthouse of Ushuaia that is promoted as the lighthouse of the end of the world. Dentren | Talk 22:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation page

Thanks to those who helped sort this one out, I have tried sorting the mess of the talk pages left behind, while the histories are a bit confused at least the talk pages are now coherent, SqueakBox 13:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] font

"64 000 inhabitants" Font?

[edit] Southern Most City

It depends on what you define as a city. Does it have to have a certain population? Does it have to be a major centre? etc, etc. For example, if you define a city as having a population over 1 million, then the title of the world's southern most city belongs to Melbourne, Australia.--Just James 03:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Umm Auckland has 1.3 million people and is a capital city, last I heard it was south of Melbourne while with over 400,000 Christchurch is clearly a city by any definition. Wikipedia claims Dunedin with 118,000 is also a city and that is really stretching the limit, Ushuaia i=would be called a city in Spanish and a town in English, SqueakBox 18:21, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Nope, Melbourne is further south than Auckland.--Just James 01:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
It is meaningless to continue this eternal discussion about the souterhmost city. This article will never be able to state that Ushuaia is the absolute southern most city, it depends on the criteria used. Instead it can be stated that is the southermost city having a population of 64,000. See also: southernmost settlements. Dentren | Talk 17:55, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I guess it is meaningless. Oh well, sorry for all the trouble.--Just James 01:36, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Melbourne is actually further south than Auckland, and Auckland is not the capital city of New Zealand. Wellington is the capital. I think that by the New Zealand definition a city has to have at least 20,000 people so if Ushuaia was in New Zealand it would be a city. Puerto Williams would only be a town. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.54.11.153 (talk) 07:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seawolves?!?

The article says "local birds, penguins and seawolves on the islands in the Beagle Channel." I'm guessing "seawolves" is a reference to Orca, not to Seawolf (fish). I've changed the article to reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by SethML (talk • contribs) 05:35, August 21, 2007 (UTC).

Seawolves is probably a direct translation of the Spanish Lobo marino, the South American Sea Lion. I will fix it. Dentren | Talk 14:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Puerto Williams, Chile

Will the anonymous editor please correct PW? It's in Chile! I don't want to revert all your edits, but I will unless this is fixed. Look at an atlas. Archernewland 20:19, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Huge pic removed

I removed the following pic because it was embedded, a 4MB size is not reasonable, please help by making a thumb or link to the proper picture.

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Callmeback (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)