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There have been 3 groups of Urianhai:

1. Urianhai as one of the 6 tumens of Dayan Khaan in Estern Mongolia. (Perhaps these are the Urianhai led by Nagachu who allied with the Ming in the 14th century) Nowadays there are Inner Mongols who identify themselves as Urianhai.

2. Urianhai as part of the Oirats. Their descendants live in Bayan-Olgii and Hovd aimags. Sometimes they are called Altai-iin Urianhai.

These 2 are said to be the descendants of the Urianhan tribe from which came Zelme, one of the 9 warlords of Genghis Khan.

3. Urianhai another name of Tuva people. It is unclear why thery were called Urianhai. Part of them, living in Mongolia are called Monchoogo-Urianhai.

Gantuya eng

Thanks for the info! Regarding number 2, are those Mongol or Tuvan Urianhai? On number 3, Monchoogo sounds like the Tuvan Monchak. Tuvans living in China also use this name. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Number 2 are Oirats who are Western Mongols. The Kalmyks branched from the Oirats. Gantuya eng

The reason I ask is because Tuvans also live in Bayan-Olgii and Hovd aimags and have been known to use the name Altai Tuvas. Also, where do Monchoogo-Uriankhai live? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As I understand, the Altai Tuvans you mention are the Monchoogo-Urianhai. The Tsaatan (reaindeer people) in Huvsgul aimag are also said to have come from Tuva. Gantuya eng

What about the Khövsgöl Uriankhai (living east of Khövsgöl nuur)? Are they Tuvans or Mongols? Yaan 20:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

If their language and origin are different from the Oirat-Urianhai, then they ought to be the Tuvans.Gantuya eng 05:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sborsody's additions

To correct this sentence "Chinus is an early clan which from Borjigon the Great Khan Chingis's clan descended.", the meaning needs clarification. Does it mean
"Chinus is an early clan from which Borjigon, the Great Khan Chingis's clan, descended."
or
"Chinus is an early clan which descended from Borjigon, the Great Khan Chingis's clan." ?

All the text following this sentence needs improvement as language-wise as content-wise.Gantuya eng 16:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I don't know. I had moved the content someone else wrote from Tuvans http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuvans&diff=cur&oldid=153499389. They probably meant from which. I'm hoping someone here can clear it up. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 16:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uriankhai and Forest people

I removed the connection for now as it seems a bit unclear for me. I will look it up in the Secret History of the Mongols, but I think the two terms may not be really synonymous. Yaan (talk) 18:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)