Talk:Uranian astrology

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[edit] Myths

This entire section does not conform to wiki NPOV standards ... There should be information on both Hans Niggeman and Ruth Brummond, but POV statements like "ambiguous translation" and "this material that most accurately reflects the definition of Uranian Astrology today" are simply inappropriate. --Phasis 17:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The aforementioned myths stated by Phasis are opinion. In reference to NPOV standards, the correct spelling of the two individuals mentioned is Hans Niggemann and Ruth Brummund. Information about Hans Niggemann is given in the references at the end. Niggemann translated German books on the subject and his name was long touted as the author of the books, when if fact they were translations of the German texts by Hermann Lefeldt and Ilse Schnitzler. So, technically, his publications were plagiarisms, and his books were long labeled as such by Hamburg astrologers, unbeknownst to Americans who read the translations. Some of the earlier-posted data for the Transneptunians was not correct and so I have corrected the Transneptunian data with the original assertions of Alfred Witte and Friedrich Sieggrün (from circa 1930), as well as the more recent (refined after continued observation) data of Ruth Brummund, based from figures by James Neely, which are those used by most Uranian Astrologers today. I have the source documents (referenced in the corrected text) right in front of me at the moment. Comments about the 'appropriateness' of what is current may be coming from people who are still clinging to obsolete definitions and data, not unlike people describing scientific theories of the 1960s as though they are still current, or people who have axes to grind with Ruth Brummund. -- Blake Finley, MA ABD-2, Uranian Astrologer an student of Uranian Astrology (in both English and German) since 1975, cooperative teacher of Uranian Astrology with Ruth Brummund of the former Hamburg School, current director of the German school of Uranische Astrologie www.Uranische-astrologie.org.

[edit] Something wrong w/ page...

Much of this page is being cut off or something like that -- something is definitely wrong with the page but I don't know how to fix it. --172.162.128.195 11:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

I just put the Transurian orbital data into a table that is readable. Looking at the page history, it appears that a lot of data has gone astray, that belongs in the table. Since I don't know what the source of the table is, or have any of the books that the table references, I can't construct it correctly. jonathon 23:58, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] freeing up of remainder of page

I was able to free up the display of the remainder of the page by making format modifications, and in the process eliminated the Wikitable format of the Transneptunian data, which others are welcome to format back into a table if they have time -- Blake Finley MA ABD-2 Uranian Institute

== Clarification on definitions of Uranian Astrology. Uranische Astrologie was coined as a term in Germany by Ruth Brummund, longterm vice-president and reserach analyst of the Hamburg School of Astrology (from which Uranian Astrology was derived). A schism occurred in the Hamburg School of Astrology when certain members refused to accept the research evidence denying the relative validity of historical techniques used by Hamburg School astrologers. Among these people was Michael Feist, heir to certain Hamburg School publications, and a Hamburg School computer program that used the historical techniques, and his business partners in the United States and elsewhere. Further complicating the definition of Uranian Astrology is that early 20th century German literature on Hamburg School Astrology was translated into English in the United States and presented as 'Uranian Astrology', while authors of the original German materials in some cases saw the translations as unauthorized plagiarisms, among which were the Key to Uranian Astrology, a de facto translation of the Lexikon für Planetenbilder by Ilse Schnitzler and Hermann Lefeldt, distributed by commercial software interests. Thus, as in many Webster dictionary entries, there are two definitions of Uranian Astrology. 1) as defined by (primarily) American astrologers, and including historical techniques of the Hamburg School. 2) as defined by (primarily) German astrologers, excluding a number of historical techniques, and seen as a scientific advancement based on critical testing of historical techniques of the Hamburg School.

This is further complicated by the commercial interests of Uranian Astrologers, including those of Astrolabe software (in Massachusetts, heavily intertwined with the NCGR national organization), Penelope Publications (in Florida, distributor of Astrologic-PC, and partner of Michael Feist heir to certain Hamburg School assets, and their various commercial benefactors), and the Uranian Institute (educational institute in California, which distributes a software program in collaboration with Ruth Brummund, longtime vice-president and research analyst for the Hamburg School, and founder of the school of Uranische Astrologie).

In summary, arguments of commercial, philosophical, educational, ideological, and political, have all affected how Uranian Astrology has been defined.