Talk:Upholder/Victoria class submarine

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Upholder/Victoria class submarines have their own pages as each class is a different type of ship (e.g. weapons systems). see

They are the same vessels and only vary slightly. Much of the information that was in the separate articles applies to both, such as history. Anyhow, I have requested special protection from these pages. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 19:10, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Protected (no doubt on m:the wrong version, but I couldn't care less). I ought to block both of you for blatantly violating WP:3RR, but I think it would be more productive if you just discussed this. the wub "?!" 19:13, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes but they do vary and each article has different information on their history. Most ship that are sold to different countries (e.g. INS Viraat, ARA Santisima Trinidad, Kidd class destroyers) have individual pages on wikipedia. 66.57.87.50 19:23, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, they are the same class. The class was transferred from one Navy to another. In any event, the original articles shared most information, and should continue to share most information. The only adequate way to transmit what occurred with these vessels is a single article, as it was a mere renaming of the class. And actually, you chose a bad example, as the Kidd class destroyers use the original article for their class name. Nobody considers them anything other than Kidd class. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 19:24, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

After reading the original pages of both the Upholder and Victoria classes I would tend to think that they deserve top be separate articles on en.wikipedia. It seems both pages were separate but merged without any discussion in violation of wiki policy. The current merged page does not contain all of the information in the individual articles and I would recommend that individual pages on both the Upholder-class and Victoria-class be established. 152.1.111.234 19:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Missing information? I took great care to ensure that information from both articles was carried over. What information was missing? —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 19:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unprotecting

Protected yonks ago. No ongoing discussion. --Tony Sidaway 03:15, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


Don't know how the infobox make things cluttered. Makes the information much easier to read. Following style of Nimitz class aircraft carrier and Invincible class aircraft carrier. Jcmurphy