Talk:Unsere Besten

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Someone had put Hitler at the top of this list, so I edited it. I think Hitler was actually banned from being voted for. Technically he was Austrian anyway. - Thom32, 17.55 March 2nd 2006

Hitler was Austrian until 1925, when he himself asked for relieve from the austrian nationality. In 1932 he became German, so Adolf Hitler was 'stateless' for 7 years.

the list is worth absolutely nothing. aired at a private channel of dubious cultural level and including showmasters!? --Tresckow 04:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC) --> thats wrong! the show aired on a public channel (ZDF, second german televison),1.showmaster is no word in english- thats a german 'invention' 2. the host is an well-known, famous and respected journalist 3. the cultural level was very high, the presentation of the candidates was done in a way so that people can understand what these people have done for germany and the world-- the presenters are higly accepted in germany and the world and the result (top 10) includes some of the worlds most famous people, people that have done many things for human beings and helped making our modern world as it is today

Why is Mozart on this list? He was an Austrian, not German, therefore he should have not been on this list (with all the due respect to the greatest composer of all times).

Norum 08.August.2006

Mozart was not Austrian in the modern meaning for two reasons: 1) At the time of Mozart, Austria was not an independant country, it was part of the Holy Roman Empire of German Nation. 2) Mozart was born in the Archbishopric of Salzburg, which was not part of the Habsburg realms. Anonytroll 11:50, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hegel?

First, speaking as a Canadian student of law and philosophy, the absence of G.W.F. Hegel from this list is nothing short of bizarre: the broad scope of his insight and continuing influence on the world is undeniable. Many of the people who are on the list would not be there without having reacted to, or having been inspired by, Hegel's life and work.

Second, the presence of Nicolas Copernicus on the list is also bizarre. No one, from what I have observed, outside of Germany thinks that he was really German. The claim is similar to the proud and misguided Chinese belief that Genghis Khan was really Chinese and not Mongolian. Mjc100 06:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

well, this list and show were just done to entertain some people - nothing more. That are not facts but the opinions of some persons, who are not representative for all Germans (no one of my friends for exmple would vote for such a nonesense) or anyone else. So maybe fans of Daniel Küblböck know nothing about Hegel. And the case of Copernicuses nationality is not so easy (at least he had also a German mother ) and simply to say he was polish does also not represent the truth (by the way who cares if he was Polish, German or anything else)? And Silke Fritzen is by far the most important German. 84.181.99.8 12:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, OK... I was unaware that Copernicus was half-German. And I do agree with your appraisal of Ms Fritzen; that's awesome.

Queen Victoria was half-German, had a German husband/cousin, and was almost entirely of German descent. Does she qualify as one of the most important Germans?74.36.193.97 13:19, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Daniel Küblböck

Curious. There's no photo of Daniel Küblböck, although he ranked 15th. Was it left out deliberately? Well, I can imagine that since now, three years later, no one cares about him. His appereance on the list can only be explained by the hype at that time. In fact, it's shame to see him among these great people. And no, this is no discussion on D.K. but rather on the bias of the list and the article itself. - Jack's Revenge 11:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deutsche Soldaten

Can someone explain whether or not German soldiers/sailors/airmen were specifically excluded from consideration? Or did Germans really not vote for them? There isn't a single military name on the list. Manfred von Richthofen, Kretschmer the U-Boat ace, Erich Hartmann the highest ranked figher ace in world history, Hans-Ulrich Rudel the most decorated officer in the Third Reich (and an unrepentant Nazi if his book Stuka Pilot is to be believed), Erwin Rommel (over-rated but popular), Heinz Guderian, etc., etc.139.48.81.98 21:38, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

I guess German soldiers are neither well-known nor liked in Germany. They might be known to historians or experts. Most (ordinary) people in Germany don't know these names or at least not all of these names though. - Jack's Revenge 01:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, Otto Von Bismark is there. But I find it odd that Erwin Rommel, Carl von Clausewitz or Otto Skorzeny didn't make it.