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[edit] I humbly beg for your attention

You were the only Arbcom member that seemed to understand the underlying issues in the "Episodes and Characters" cases. I draw you attention to my expansion of my request, and plead for some resolution. We have an editor out on a two-week block when he should have either been not blocked or dealt an extremely short one. Ruling that a two-week block is unreasonable three weeks after the fact is woefully ineffective.Kww (talk) 13:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Since this has expanded into two arbitrators calling for an indefinite topic ban against TTN and myself, I repeat my plea.Kww (talk) 15:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:BLP/3RR

This topic might interest you, because it's being said you added the exemption for 3RR to the BLP policy originally. I'm not sure either way, but here's a heads-up. --Faith (talk) 14:14, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I came here to make the same invitation, but I see FaithF beat me to it. Bovlb (talk) 19:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for review

Over the weekend, the three person threshold I had placed on the possibility of my seeking a review of beind de-sysoped was reached. I had stated that, when that threshold was reached, that I would request outside input to see if the claims merited the process. As a bureaucrat, I think you probably are among the most qualified to make such judgements. By the way, it might be worth noting that the two individuals who first came into the question have been active engaged in conduct others find troubling at Talk:Hogenakkal Falls, and that one of them, as per the now deleted Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sarvagnya, is one who has been involved in conduct which has been troubling for some time. In any event, I request review of the comments at User:John Carter/Adminship at your leisure. Thank you, and my apologies for the inconvenience. By the way, it should be noted that the Bus stop affair was mentioned in my RfA and that the name change was made at the time, causing the recent comments about how I "buried" it and had "hidden it from view" to be at best dubious. John Carter (talk) 14:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Unbelievable! This message is - in and of itself is clear cut evidence as to why John Carter is unfit to serve as an administrator. John Carter seems to invest a disproportionate amount of his time filing inappropriate and unsubstantiated complaints against long standing established editors, in what would appear to be retaliatory campaigns against anyone who dares to disagree with the POV he is consistently cramming done the throats of members of our community. I think a little investigation will demonstrate to you that the Sarvagnya RFC, apparently initiated by Carter, CLEARED the editor of false allegations of impropriety, contrary to John Carter's (very typically) misleading statement above. [1] Cleo123 (talk) 04:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Reprinted from my talk page......Cleo123 (talk) 04:45, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

For what its worth, you seem to have done little if any investigation of my RfA. If you had looked at it, and it can easily be found at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Warlordjohncarter, you will note that the Bus stop incident was mentioned both my me and at least one of those who voted support, and that, in fact, my username was changed after the RfA had begun, so it could hardly qualify as "burying my record and hiding it from community view", as you said. In fact, such clearly unsubstantiated allegations might themselves be taken as being a form of personal attack. I would strongly encourage you in the future to at least learn something about the matters in question before making such clearly inaccurate comments. John Carter (talk) 19:48, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Fact: you removed an entire thread from the talk page discussion here, shortly there after you archived the discussion against consensus. Fact: when questioned, you acknowledged and attempted to justify your vandalism of the discussion record here. When an administrator informed you that the removal was improper, you stated - falsely - that another unnamed administrator condoned your actions. It would appear that you then quickly archived that page. I well understand why you chose to ditch the name WARLORD JOHN CARTER in your bid for adminship, however, as the two accounts were linked that has no bearing on the discussion at hand. The contribution histories are linked - this is about trying to bury information by deleting an entire thread from an article discussion page.
As you are well aware, I have left Wikipedia, more than once now, due to ongoing harassment from you, against myself and other Jewish editors. You have repeatedly been asked by myself and other editors to leave me alone. [2]. The fact that you have the apparent audacity to leave, yet another, very misleading and IMO inappropriate message on my talk page demonstrates the fact that you are entirely unfit to be an administrator. I have substantiated my claims against you, and you should know full well that what I have publicly cited is only the tip of the iceberg. In the best interests of the project, I would strongly suggest that you resign. Your RFA may have slipped through the cracks unnoticed due to your very conveniently timed name change, but as you are well aware - there are a great many editors who have serious issues with Warlord John Carter. Indeed, many editors who were not even involved with those articles voiced concerns about your bullying tactics as seen here, here, and here Cleo123 (talk) 04:07, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Please stop the smear campaign and voice concerns about an editor in the appropriate forums - this is not one of them. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:15, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Smear campaign? Care to elaborate? And what makes you think Cleo shouldnt be posting on this page? Its certainly not your user page? Sarvagnya 18:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Ncmvocalist, this is the process and the forum chosen by John Carter. I believe that makes my response to his comments here appropriate. I could open an RFC, but I am respecting the process he has chosen and I am giving him the opportunity to resign per his request for feedback. Cleo123 (talk) 03:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

fwiw, yes. imo, John Carter has not only been exceptionally rude but also has on many occassions demonstrated a utter lack of comprehension of our most basic policies. Unless this whole exercise is a farce, I will be glad to explain in greater detail. For now, I must mention that the RfC he filed (and now deleted) was no more than a vengeful exercise and abuse of process in an attempt to browbeat me. It may not be a coincidence that it closely followed my call for his desysopping. An attempt was also made to game the system by selectively distributing invites to the RfC among people who have been in conflict with me in the past - Ncmvocalist above being one of them, whose POV-pushing I'd busted on a certain article and one with whom Carter himself had teamed up to edit war against me on another article. One of Cleo's links above reads "Ganging up" and I must say that is exactly what Carter and his friends attempted with me with the RfC. I could continue but I'll stop here. Will explain in greater detail if asked. Sarvagnya 18:57, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see the history of Sarvagnya's talk page for the comments of Nishkid, the admin who deleted the RFC. It should also be noted that the second party, Naadapriya, has been described by someone else as seeing Sarvagnya as his "guru". John Carter (talk) 21:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
And... exactly what does that have to do with anything? Sarvagnya 23:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
If Nadapriya also shares my opinion that you're unfit to be an admin, then it must be for very good reasons. Somebody else thinking that he thinks of me as his guru surely has zilch to do with it. And fwiw, my interactions with Nadapriya have been very few and very far apart. If you're trying to suggest that Nadapriya called for your desysopping by taking a cue from me, I must warn you to keep your conspiracy theories to yourself. Sarvagnya 23:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Carter's "guru" remark is a very typical inappropriate strategy this user frequently employs. He attempts to diminish and discount the views of other editors often implying that they have some sort of personal relationship or conflict of interest. These veiled personal attacks are very often attributed to some other unnamed editor or supposed "group" of editors. He seldom if ever provides citations for these claims, and often references deleted pages that are no longer available for viewing. Think about it, "It should also be noted that the second party, Naadapriya, has been described by someone else as seeing Sarvagnya as his guru." Is the alleged personal opinion of some unnamed editor, who isn't even involved in this discussion, really the type of response one would expect of an admin? Cleo123 (talk) 04:23, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Here he is again, up to his same old tricks - apparently trying to organize, yet another, of his notorious "gang" efforts against another editor only today. To be honest, I can't be bothered to plow through all the details, regarding Carter's latest target. I've seen Carter's song and dance too many times not to recognize the inappropriate behavior patterns. It seems to me that a responsible administrator ought to be encouraging editors involved in a content dispute to work towards achieving consensus. An administrator should be encouraging them to discuss content as opposed to contributors. Instead, Carter is apparently attempting to escalate conflict and further clog Wikipedia's bureaucratic arteries with yet another premature and seemingly inappropriate complaint, waged by an organized "gang" actively recruited for their "roles" by Carter himself. As usual, he casts himself in his latest drama as the master puppeteer and director, who pulls the strings from the sidelines. What kind of administrator coaches editors on RFCs and the like, while openly acknowledging that a Wiki-ettiquette alert notice might be more appropriate? Does that sound objective? Does that sound neutral? What kind of administrator is wasting everyone's time combing an adversary's contribution history for alleged possible incivility from months back and spoon feeding the "evidence" to a hand picked group, coaching them through the complaint process?
If the editor in question, is doing something egregious and/or disruptive, as an administrator- why doesn't Carter just block him? Perhaps that is because User:Zeuspitar, (who BTW has never been blocked for anything), has probably committed no other "crime" than having a religious point of view divergent from Carter's "Christianity Project" perspective? One has to wonder if personal vendettas do not figure significantly into the multitudinous complaints of Carter and his every changing "crew". It should be noted that I do not blame the pawns in these apparent schemes. If an administrator encouraged me to file an RFC, I'd consider it. It would never occur to me that the administrator might be working to escalate conflict rather than diffusing it. Most of us hold administrators to a higher standard, which is why John Carter needs to be desysopped. Cleo123 (talk) 05:20, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
That seems to be a completely unnecessary and quite unsubstantiated suggestion. I suggest you withdraw it. Responding to a request for advice on how to pursue dispute resolution being grounds for desysopping?!?
John, I respect you for doing this, but I think this should be closed now. Clearly, nobody's bothered to turn up but one or two people who clearly don't represent consensus of any sort. I'd view that as stultifying lack of interest in desysopping you. In any case, if an average admin doesn't piss off at least a couple of people with strong POVs - the benefit of which they wish to extend to the rest of the world - then they should be desysopped. --Relata refero (disp.) 05:41, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
My! Now there's a quick response! Watching this user's talk page, are you? Are you involved in this matter some how? How about allowing the actual owner of this talk page an opportunity to review the evidence that has been presented and allowing him/her a chance to respond. For the record, I have substantiated my claims, providing multiple citations. Here's another one for you. Please note that the user's post contains nearly identical language in his complaint to language used by Carter in a variety of messages I have received from him. My, what a fascinating coincidence. My complaint is valid and I withdraw nothing. Cleo123 (talk) 05:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Well, well, well, what do we have here? It's a message from about a year ago, posted by John Carter. Please, note that the language is strikingly similar to the posting made by John's " new pal" Wikidās in an RFC filed against John's apparent adversary User:Zeuspitar only today. Anyone else see any similarities between these two postings? [3][4] Reminds me an awful lot of some very dirty business that went on during Bob Dylan/ Converts to Christianity dispute over a year ago. It's a pity for Mr. Carter that I have such a long and precise memory when it comes to clumsy and/or contrived dialogue. Cleo123 (talk) 06:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I watch all the arbs' talkpages. And this nonsense has been on for five days, so its hardly a quick response.
For the record, I do hope that you misunderstood my comment: I was suggesting you withdraw probably committed no other "crime" than having a religious point of view divergent from Carter's "Christianity Project" perspective, an insinuation that is unnecessary and unsubstantiated. Your diff above, of Wikidas to Zeuspitar, is even less relevant to Carter, this request, or talkpage. (Not to mention the fact that a look over Zeuspitar's contribs suggests that he does indeed really, really hate ISKCON people, which Wikidas self-ids as.) Take a step back, please. --Relata refero (disp.) 06:30, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I think if you take the time to review the history, you'll see that my statements, although on a superficial basis may seem inflammatory - they are not without basis. A number of Jewish editors involved in that Dyaln/Converts to Christianity dispute expressed concerns that they were being targeted by Carter based on their religious persuasions. The content dispute itself seemed to revolve around Carter's efforts to deny Dylan's Jewish heritage and dub him a Christian, all the while seemingly targeting Jewish editors for harassment. When this goes to the next level, which I suspect it will, I know that I can provide citations to demonstrate Carter's apparent bias. In the meantime, review the archive. It's all there. Right down to petty assaults like the removal of Dylan's Jewish name from his article. The Zeuspitar incident is germaine, not only as evidence of possible sock puppetry (which was a community concern in the Dylan matter), but it is evidence that Carter continues to encourage editors to rush to RFC and ARBCOM rather than amicably resolving content disputes. It is entirely relevant, as it is current evidence of an ongoing behavioral pattern that unrelated editors have complained about. As for "taking a step back" - I have - for many months. Cleo123 (talk) 07:01, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and here's another one. Does this language sound familiar to anyone else? My, what a coincidence Wikidas, somehow managing to dig up the "something I've already sought once" jargon from over a year ago buried amid all those Carter edits. Quite a coincidence. Cleo123 (talk) 07:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC
I'm totally confused. Are you claiming Wikidas is a sock? Oh, and nowhere is there evidence that Zeuspitar is being persecuted because of his views on Christianity... --Relata refero (disp.) 08:09, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I also think that the ongoing accusations here are meaningless. When it became clear that this editor was absent for a time, I contacted another member of the ArbCom, User:Paul August, here, and received the response that he saw no basis for saying that I should be desysoped. I also have to question whether my perspective can be called pure Chrsitian, as Cleo has implied. I personally have regretably come to the conclusion that Cleo's behavior in this regard seems to be hyper-critical, and possibly at least borderline harassment. I have restated the terms of my being voluntarily de-sysoped, as I am free to do, by indicating that if a formal RFC is filed and on the basis of the comments there, I will desysop myself. Alternately, if such is imposed from outside, I clearly would accept it under those circumstances. Otherwise, I believe that further commentary here might well qualify as tendentious editing or some other violation of policy and/or guidelines. John Carter (talk) 14:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Case for you attention:

I thought you might like to comment on:

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Blanking_user_talk_page Usman Hashmi
13:15, 5 October 2006 UninvitedCompany (talk · contribs) blocked "Usman Hashmi (talk · contribs)" with an expiry time of indefinite ‎ (Deliberate privacy violation involving release of personal information regarding another person)

Partial list of IPs used to evade ban: IP Net Range: (81.154.0.0 - 81.157.255.255 - BT-CENTRAL-PLUS)

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Just thought you might like to know and disperse some words of wisdom. WikiDon (talk) 05:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arb status

Us clerks checking on if you're active or inactive on what cases. Please let us know at the clerk noticeboard. Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Audio Barnstar

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