User talk:Uninsured Driver
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Since I was renamed, let's start out fresh. NoInsurance (chat?) 13:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] AGF
Hi, Driver, or should I call you NoInsurance? I have replied in detail to your AGF concerns at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alfredo DeOro (and my RfA). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 22:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- [This copy of NoInsurance's response is being refactored into this user talk page from the AfD in question, as it is more on-topic here.]
- Still, it may cost you support in your RFA. You accused him of disruptive editing, but he hasn't logged in since he posted his comment on the Golden-Road.net site. You should know that a user posted a link to the page, so new users might log in and comment and state their case. I can see his point, he stated that the article is not notible outside the pooltable fandom. NoInsurance (chat?) 23:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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- This was a bit non-responsive to the issues I raised; it's taken me a while figure out how to respond. You publicly and from my point of view baselessly accused me in two high-profile places of engaging in blatant WP:AGF violation, and your main point is that it might hurt my RfA prospects? Aside from being rather tautological, that just kind of doesn't compute, for me :-) My RfA has nothing whatsoever to do with this. I do not base my judgement with regard to Wikipedia behavior on the basis of whether or not it will help my RfA, or make me friends, or impress anyone. I base my judgement on facts, policy, consensus and building the world's best encyclopedia. That's why I'm here, not for politicking or using this as a forum.
- I demonstrated, not accused, that the "user" in question is beyond any reasonable doubt acting uniformly in bad faith and is a probable sockpuppet (at the very least it is a meatpuppet, acting vengefully on behalf of the SD article), a conclusion others including an admin quoted in the evidence had already come to as well. This wasn't out-of-the-blue.
- Please endeavor to understand WP:N and WP:BIO and related guidelines more clearly. The fact that you seem personally to consider pool to be insigificant not only has no bearing at all on the question of notability, it is one of the classic indicators that a faulty notability argument is being raised. See User:Uncle G/On notability (despite being a userspace essay it was very formative of WP:N and its dependent guidelines) and Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions.
- Lastly, I am not in any way attempting to influence your RfA vote. I just want to be really clear on that. The fact that I'm up for an unexpected RfA is of very little concern to me. Being publicly attacked (which itself was a WP:AGF transgression, twice back to back I might add) for doing dilligent work to identify a blatant vandal, spammer and WP:POINT troublemaking sockpuppet is, though. I didn't deserve that, and I was doing Wikipedia a service, because this person will be back, I can almost guarantee it; having a record of past patterns will be helpful in preventing further mischief from him/her/it. Vandals do not get mollycoddled here after a certain point, and policies like AGF and 3RR absolutely do not protect them any longer when they cross that line, as this "user" did, flagrantly and in many ways, including spamming, vandalizing AfD arguments, etc.
- No rancour intended, really. I'm more mystified than miffed, honestly.
- — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 00:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
- Further followup at User talk:SMcCandlish#Golden-Road.net. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 19:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Natl1's RFA
[edit] Doppelganger account
Thought you'd like to know: we have a template specially for this, and it makes it all neat and tidy too: we even have an official category. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 09:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
