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Would anyone care of I added some local anecdotes to the page? For some reason I am compelled to comment on how the ENB building is often referred to as the fishbowl.--24.92.194.173 06:45, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The glass windows are a good clue...Dominick 10:30, 2 Jun 2004 (UTC)

The Magnolia Towers section looks like it was palgarized from the college newspaper (The Oracle). Someone check into this or I will delete it.

I had heard about it while I was an RA from Dr. Tom Kane, who deals with university housing. Check with the office to see if there is literature on it that can be cited. I am flattered that you think my writing is so good that it must have been plagiarized, though! ;) Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

The upcoming Chemistry building has plenty of glass windows and even an area circular in design. Also, the Education building already has this feature, yet I still think the ENB will remain the fishbowl. It's not just the glass windows, but the kind of glass used (it's those weird glass cubes/building blocks you can barely see through) and the fact there is typically a crowd in there, much like a bunch of fish inside a fishbowl.--24.92.194.173 00:07, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I was there when it opened, as a Engineering student. It was the fishbowl from the beginning. Of course I also called it the Palace of Engineering. Many engineering classes were held across campus in Cooper hall (Arts building) where attractive girls would frequent, interrupting the mostly male Engineering students waiting on classes. I Referred to that as the "Babe Breezeway", and across the quad as the "Business Bunker". Dominick 02:39, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I say go for it... add this stuff to the article. Sekicho 13:02, Jun 10, 2004 (UTC)

There are too many important things missing from the article. Student culture is one aspec that wikipedia can excel in. Two examples. One is the spelunker club, where a studetn had to go down into the poorly locked and sealed bomb shelter under the dorms. The "hill" was one campus hot spot. I may add articles about it. Before the Marshall center was expanded, there was a circle of hedges about the hill behind the then Student Center. Many would go there to talk, canoodle, have harder beverages, or smoke. Come to think of it, the same things happened in the bomb shelter. Hill activities were pretty much ignored by the universty police, and administration. Many suspect that the Marshall center expansion was made to demolish this haven, and many students participated in a "save the Hill" campaign. Dominick 13:18, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

This article needs a revamp and quick. The Honors College needs to be mentioned since it is fairly new (established 2002 by Judy Genshaft)...I'm not biased at all. Really! :-)

But seriously, the major rebuilding of the campus, and the addition of buildings, should be of importance in the article. I can try to write more than that but I'm fairly new so it'd take me a while to get to know places and people. Mike H 21:08, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

Honors isn't entirely new -- before it was a college, it was just known as the Honors Program, and dates from at least the late 1980s. Tregoweth 22:29, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)
I am aware. Mike H 22:45, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Al-Arian

I've moved the following material from Sami Al-Arian, that is more abt the institution than abt him --Jerzy(t) 07:32, 2005 Feb 7 (UTC)

The American Association of University Professors indicated that it would formally censure USF if Al-Arian was fired, a move that would have likely dissuaded many top professors from teaching at USF. On January 6, 2003, the United Faculty of Florida, the union representing Al-Arian and other USF professors, filed a formal grievance against Genshaft, alleging that continuing to bar Al-Arian from the campus was tantamount to continued disciplinary action without due process, that the disciplinary actions were a violation of Al-Arian's academic freedoms, and that the university had discriminated against Al-Arian due to his ethnic background.
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The AAUP indicated that they did not feel due process had been followed in Al-Arian's case, but chose to condemn, rather than formally censure, USF at their 2003 annual meeting.

[edit] East and West are confused

East and West are confused ~a reader

[edit] East and West confused

~A reader

The following lks are pertinent:

I would up date the logo picture to match the new view, but I am unsure as to its legality. Chotchki 05:13, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of The Oracle

Per the VfD consensus at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Oracle Newspaper, information about The Oracle has been merged to this article. --TenOfAllTrades(talk) 23:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New logo

I uploaded and want to add Image:Southflorida_logo.gif to the article, but I'm not entirely sure when the logo was introduced. I believe it was in 2003, but I don't want to assume. Anyone know? --Vyran 14:13, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

You're correct. This page says "The Bull is the university’s athletic mascot. The set of athletics symbols shown below were developed in 2003 and are are used to identify USF athletic programs and merchandise." Mike H (Talking is hot) 07:36, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Centre Gallery

Following the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Centre Gallery, I merged the material from Centre Gallery into this article. You probably want to edit it a bit to preserve the flow of the article. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 22:30, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I've removed this material as the CG really doesn't deserve much more than the brief mention it gets in the pre-existing section on the museum and other galleries on campus. Gamaliel 22:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Fine with me. I hadn't seen that it was already mentioned; I didn't read through the History section. -- Jitse Niesen (talk) 23:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

THere are so many things that could be added to this article, like the Empty Keg, when the university's center was the University Center. Dominick (ŤαĿĶ) 18:05, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
Then do it. Mike H (Talking is hot) 18:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] USF fatal shooting

As one of the biggest news events to come out of USF since Al-Arian, this should be noted in the article, but I don't know where to place it. Anyone want to help me? Mike H. That's hot 22:15, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

k, placed it under "housing" since it happened in the housing areas. Mike H. That's hot 00:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Is this really that important? People have died on campuses before. Gamaliel 01:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Considering the media response to the shooting, and the fact that it hasn't happened HERE in over a decade, I'm in favor of keeping it. It's a current issue right now. Maybe down the line we should remove it, but not now. Mike H. That's hot 01:27, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UCF/USF Enrollment

The enrollment numbers for the University of Central Florida were incorrect in some areas of its page on Wikipiedia; the correct enrollment number for UCF, as stated on the official Facts About UCF webpage, is 45,090, placing UCF as the seventh largest university in the nation and 2nd largest in the state of Florida, and USF the third in the state. In light of this, I have made the appropriate changes on this page concerning its ranking as well as all other pages affected. Prototime

52,934 > 45,090 Someone needs to take remedial math. K

I don't buy the 52,000 number. The final number for that year that we had was 43,000. I think the 52,000 was a preliminary number, because not only would USF be above UCF, USF would be #1 in the country, which it...isn't yet. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Seal

Is there a better official seal for the university that is still dark green and gold instead of bright yellow and green? Those are the only ones I've been able to find. Still the picture of a brick wall doesn't cut it. ArchonMeld 21:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Why doesn't it "cut it"? It's GFDL since it was a picture I could take. When you can, go for free alternatives. This is one. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 03:45, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Engineering

Hm, no mention of engineering ... might need to fix that. -- ∞Dbroadwell 06:08, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

We have Engineering! Hopefully, I can get around to putting up more of the CoE's projects in the near future. --Bboritzki 21:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] USF Lakeland

Does anyone have information about the upcoming USF campus from media or official sources? I was just wondering per the enrollment question. If USF has ~43.000 total enrollment, and it adds this supposedly 15.000 student campus, wouldn't that seem to make total enrollment around 60.000 (with growth until then factored in)? Thats almost a mega-university. 128.186.225.193 17:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Lakeland is the smallest campus. USFSP has 6,000 students, so Lakeland wouldn't have anywhere near that. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I've created a page for USF Lakeland, if you're interested in adding information, the link to its page can be found here, on the front page of the article and the template box in the bottom of the article.--BaRiMzI 15:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Health

Okay, the Health section is an absolute eyesore. Is anyone in favor of just removing it completely and trying to start a whole area on different colleges, health being just one of many? See the UCF article for what I'm talking about. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 17:08, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I like that idea, but when I removed it the first time I got an angry note on my talk page from a couple of USF Health employees. I figured I'd tag it and let them try to fix the issues, but they haven't even begun to deal with fundamental issues like NPOV ("visionary leadership"?!). I support starting from scratch. Gamaliel 17:20, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Let's do so. Are you up for starting sections on every college? Engineering, Education, Arts and Sciences, the whole gamut? Maybe we should sandbox first. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 03:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

I am done wasting my time here, I wish you would delete my account (as I have zero contributions at this point, and intend to keep it that way). Wikipedia is all about editor power trips, trolls and the like. And as such, is deleted from my bookmarks forever.

Ken

Dude, calm down and assume good faith on both mine and Gamaliel's parts. We're only trying to make the USF article better, which is the whole aim of Wikipedia. I never said anything about not incorporating some of the Health information into a new section under Colleges : Health, but as it is, it is unwieldy and rambling. USF is not ALL about Health, and has taken up a disproportionate amount of the article at present time. If you would like to contribute to the sandboxed version of the "colleges" part of a future edition of an article, I would like your input. But do NOT throw a hissy fit when things don't go your way. I go to this school and I'm proud of it, so I want a great article. You should want that too. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 04:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

We could compromise with Ken, et al and start with the health section first. While they are apparently a bit headstrong, I think the problem here is that they don't understand that the section doesn't meet Wikipedia requirements of WP:NPOV, etc. Gamaliel 17:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

You guys are on power trips big time. Ken and I worked very hard on the USF Health article only to be insulted by punks for a two bit online encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.35.27.83 (talk • contribs) .

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Gamaliel 17:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality? This article is an eyesoar. Instead of informing people about the history of USF Health, they get links to USFs webstes! This not only violates your NEUTRALITY policy but is totally inconsistant with the purpose of an encyclopedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.35.27.83 (talk • contribs) .

It's a work in progress. If you have any suggestions, please offer them. If you wish to add material consistent with Wikipedia policies of WP:NPOV and WP:RS, please feel free. Gamaliel 20:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Football

I think a lot of the football information can be moved to South Florida Bulls football, and the athletics section expanded to describe the other sports we field as well. I'm hesitant to keep the "War on I-4" information, because every newspaper I've read that mentions it, from The Oracle to The Tampa Tribune, call it an "unofficial rivalry," especially since The Oracle mentioned that Jim Leavitt does not want to continue the USF/UCF series past 2008, when the contract expires. I would like to hear thoughts, and do remember WP:NPOV when you articulate such thoughts. I'm proud of my school's achievements as much as the next person, but do remember this is an encyclopedia. Mike H. I did "That's hot" first! 06:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Athletics

I added the Expandsection tag, not realizing the "Football" comment was here. So it works out. Hires an editor 14:37, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Academics

This article really needs an Academics section.

Please add some clarification about the relationship of USF and New College. Some of the alumni listed are really New College alums.

They can go to USF.edu for that. Next thing you know, people will want to add course catalogs to the wiki entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.26.101.71 (talk) 03:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC).

There is no anomaly about this. The article is crystal clear that there was an abuse of federal funds and USF sercretly tried to pay off the Government without this story expolding in front of them. The FBI and the FDLE would not be involved unless something criminal is accused. Cavris 04:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)cavris

There is a page for the University of South Florida Sarasota-Manatee. You can add more information for USF's ties with New College there. --BaRiMzI 19:46, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] John S. Allen

I went ahead and made a page for John S. Allen. It is currently a stub. Could anyone add more to the page?--BaRiMzI 19:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up and references

Well I've started restructuring the page and referencing the things written in it. Can anyone whom added the information help?--BaRiMzI 05:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I've added a references section and am currently at 14 references. I did not write the majority of the information of this article so tracking down what are currently claim, until cited, is a time consuming task. Can any of the original writes help? Anyone?--_ BaRiMzI _ 00:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academics, satellite campuses, restructuring

I added in an Academics section with all the various USF colleges, schools and institutions, as far as I know. I also added in a sub section for the satellite campuses, in hopes that these more obvious links will encourage others to edit the articles for Sarasota and Lakeland. I also changed the structuring of the article in hopes that this will work better. In my opinion, it works better and can pave the path for better editing. I hope someones reading this. Please contribute/comment.--_ BaRiMzI _ 15:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Non-standard infobox

Hi there, folks. There is a discussion currently underway at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities about the use of non-standard infotables on this and a few other articles on universities in Florida. I and a few other editors would support standardising to {{Infobox University}}. That infobox has widespread consensus among editors and is used on several thousand articles. Editors here may wish contribute the the discussion at the WP:UNI talk page. If no issues are raised, the infobox here will be standardized. — mholland (talk) 20:41, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I was the one who put the box up in the first place.Don't see a problem with it being "standardized" though. If you look x amount of edits ago you should be able to find the original infobox before I added in the new one. Assuming this applies to all campuses, please take extra care in putting back the infobox for USF St. Pete as it contains a few references. Thank You.--_ BaRiMzI _ 20:47, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. It does apply to all of the campuses. If you think of any improvements that all 5,000ish articles using Infobox University could benefit from, you're welcome to suggest them on the template's talk page. — mholland (talk) 22:04, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
You're Welcome. Should I just start the process now and switch the infobox over to the old one or wait for a final decision?--_ BaRiMzI _ 23:01, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
I was going to give it a couple of days, but there are no complaints at WP:UNI so sure, go ahead. — mholland (talk) 11:50, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Endowment

I changed the endowment info, and added a citation. Llamabr 15:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flagship without sources??

I saw this sentence in the lead: In terms of academics, USF is a first-tier research university, and one of three "research flagship schools" in the State University System of Florida.[8] The source provided does not back up either of these claims. Is there a source that says this?

KnightLago 14:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

This note has been here for a while. Since there have been no responses I removed 2 of the sources that did not backup the claims made in any way and added fact tags. On another two sentences there are sources, but they only cover part of the sentence, and in both cases not the most important claims made. I left these two sources and added fact tags. KnightLago 22:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
I removed another sentence from the lead. It had been tagged as needing a citation for a while but none had appeared. KnightLago (talk) 04:33, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
I question your neutrality, as you are a heavy contributor (and I am guessing fan/alum/student/etc) to the Florida Atlantic University set of articles. Specifying universities as 'flagship' while not including FAU makes FAU look less relevant by comparison. There is no formal source for identifying 'flagship universities' but Wikipedia classifies them, in part, as "Flagship universities are typically research intensive Ph.D. granting institutions and usually compete in NCAA Division I athletics." Regardless, as it is impossible to objectively quantify what is a "flagship" university, I will leave this out of the article. In it's place, I will put "one of Florida's top three research universities", as USF is categorized by the Carnegie Foundation as a top tier research institution, one of three in Florida. See usf.edu for more information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.250.164.174 (talk) 23:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] USF Seal

i didn't know how difficult finding a proper seal was rather than an image from a building outside. i have found some low resolution images that i am attempting to fix in photoshop, anyone object? --UkrNole 485 (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2008 (UTC)