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I would like to propose the inclusion of two web sites related to the University of Liverpool (and its Guild of Students)
These sites are:
www.livdarts.com - The UofL darts society (not run by me, and nothing to do with me)
www.citycu.co.uk - The UofL Christian Union (designed and hosted by me, but not run by me)
For some incomprehensible reason, these two web sites seem to be causing massive offense to one user, Chris Howells. so for the sake of Wikipedia, I am opening up a calm, sensible debate as to whether they should be included as related external links.
Many thanks
Paulfp 17:33, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- "massive offense", "some incomprehensible reason", "continued vandalism", "immature", "abusive" are an interesting selection of words from someone interested in a calm, sensible debate, dontcha think? chowells 17:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- So, before I potentially waste my time arguing with you, would you care to give an assurance that you'll cut down on such language? Or do you not understand why some people object might possibly object to being called "immature", "abusive", and have their contributions referred to as "continued vandalism? chowells 18:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Please accept my apologies if my language offended you; this was never my intention. However, I did feel that you were being immature and this is why I said so. I do not consider this to be contary to my plea to have a "calm, sensible debate". I have at every opportunity resisted the temptation to fight back with tit-for-tat arguments (despite spotting a few things I could have said). I do consider the deletion of links which were specifically inserted (for a reason) to be vandalism. The darts society is nothing to do with me; I simply know of it and decided it would be good to include (i personally think it's a well made web site so is worthy of inclusion as an interesting resource related to the university). I take your point about the other web site, as I am linked to it. However I still think it is a worthy candidate for inclusion, which is why I have taken your advice and started this discussion. Lastly, if we've got off on the wrong foot then could we start again? I don't want to argue, and don't want to go around making enemies. No hard feelings, eh? Does that sound reasonable? Cheers, Paulfp
- First rule of Wikipedia: please Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Always. Immediately accusing someone of vandalism isn't. I have found that it is a useful rule of life that if you don't like the way someone is acting using demanding and provocative language is one of the best ways of ensuring that they continue doing exactly what you do not want since it makes them highly defensive and unwilling to cooperate. Contrast "I'd prefer if you acted this way" and "If I don't get my fucking way now I'm going to kill you" (the latter exaggerated slightly...). If "I'd prefer if you acted this way" doesn't get you very far try "I really need you to act this way now because xyz". I don't want to make enemies either but please consider the tone of your writing. I do quite a lot of work reverting nonsense and vandalism to articles (via RC patrol and the WP:CVU). It would certainly have been immature for me to revert changes from an established Wikipedia editor; you are not really, you didn't have a user page until this afternoon and only two comments on your talk page. These are some of the things that must be considered when deciding to revert changes. Now whilst to an extent this goes against "assume good faith. always" a line does have to be drawn when you consider the changes made by an anonymous IP or recently registered account or low activity account to be unproductive. I hold no grudges. chowells 19:53, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Please accept my apologies if my language offended you; this was never my intention. However, I did feel that you were being immature and this is why I said so. I do not consider this to be contary to my plea to have a "calm, sensible debate". I have at every opportunity resisted the temptation to fight back with tit-for-tat arguments (despite spotting a few things I could have said). I do consider the deletion of links which were specifically inserted (for a reason) to be vandalism. The darts society is nothing to do with me; I simply know of it and decided it would be good to include (i personally think it's a well made web site so is worthy of inclusion as an interesting resource related to the university). I take your point about the other web site, as I am linked to it. However I still think it is a worthy candidate for inclusion, which is why I have taken your advice and started this discussion. Lastly, if we've got off on the wrong foot then could we start again? I don't want to argue, and don't want to go around making enemies. No hard feelings, eh? Does that sound reasonable? Cheers, Paulfp
- So, before I potentially waste my time arguing with you, would you care to give an assurance that you'll cut down on such language? Or do you not understand why some people object might possibly object to being called "immature", "abusive", and have their contributions referred to as "continued vandalism? chowells 18:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Possible third opinion - take a look at External links. I think the important ones to note are:
- What should be linked to
- Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference.
I think your answer's there - although the websites in question don't violate any of the What not to link to guidelines, I'd only link to them if the societies were referred to explicitly in the article. I don't think the main university article's the right place to talk about the darts team - but I think there'd a strong case for a mention on the guild of students page, and a link on that page would then be valid and reasonable.
(using the same reasoning though, I think all the current last three links could be moved too (especially the last - does the academy have any official link to the uni?)- but that's your call)
So overall - I'd say move the links to the guild page, and write a decent mention in that article.
Hope that helps Aquilina 19:19, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree that the guild page would be slightly better than the main university page. HOWEVER. There is a small "but". According to the Guild web site: [1] "Here at Liverpool we have nearly 100 societies". Assuming 50% of them have a web site, adding 50 odd links to a wikipedia article is insanity. It is also a maintenance nightmare. Providing a link to the guild web site and saying in the article "there are lots of societies at Liverpool, see complete list here" would be far more useful. There is no reason why one or two specifically should be mentioned at the expense of others when they cannont be subjectively measured to be more important than any of the others. Therefore we have none. IMO. chowells 19:37, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be insanity. But is that a situation we are faced with? No. "at the expense of others" - lololol. Yeah, whatever.... I think you just don't want to budge (I'd probably be the same, stubbon pride affects us all). But whatever, I don't really care anymore, I've got better things to do than play cat and mouse. Let's all draw a line under this, move on and continue to make Wikipedia a great and dynamic community. Paulfp 19:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- "But is that a situation we are faced with? No.". Actually I believe it is a situation we are faced is. There are lots of societies. How else would we decide which would be listed? Because someone involved with them edited wikipedia? Why do you not think we are faced with that situation? In addition I'm very happy to admit when I am wrong, which I am frequently, and I have no problem whatsoever abiding by consensus. However by my counting this is currently in favour of removal of the links. chowells 19:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes, that would be insanity. But is that a situation we are faced with? No. "at the expense of others" - lololol. Yeah, whatever.... I think you just don't want to budge (I'd probably be the same, stubbon pride affects us all). But whatever, I don't really care anymore, I've got better things to do than play cat and mouse. Let's all draw a line under this, move on and continue to make Wikipedia a great and dynamic community. Paulfp 19:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Can anyone tell me who Andrew and Alison McCraken are, after doing a Google search, nothing really sticks out of great note.--Bensnowden 11:44, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Ben, I've never heard of them either and my Googling produced similar results. So, I'm going to remove them for now. If the anonymous user who added them still believes them to be notable and University of Liverpool graduates, perhaps he/she can elaborate a little. If we're genuinely wondering who they are, they can't be that notable, eh? :-) --80.193.22.182 13:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
I did think about doing it myself as a current Undergrad at UofL i haven't heard of them, most probably a fake addition anyway. --172.202.140.73 21:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
"Rated as one of the top medical schools in the country" Says who? Even as a student here, I'd have to say the medical school is pretty average.
- In response to this, The Times Good University Guide ranked medicine at Liverpool in the top 3 in the UK in 2006 and joint 9th for 2007(the basis of rating between the two years is different). This puts Liverpool ahead of places such as Leeds, Sheffield, Birmingham and Bristol. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sol6584 (talk • contribs) 22:48, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Was Benjamin Nelson (a senator for Nebraska) really at the University of Liverpool? In what capacity? What independent source mentions this? After a search, I can't find any evidence anywhere that he has any connection with the University. His webpage suggests that he attended University in Nebraska.
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[edit] University ratings
(I'm posting this to all articles on UK universities as so far discussion hasn't really taken off on Wikipedia:WikiProject Universities.)
There needs to be a broader convention about which university rankings to include in articles. Currently it seems most pages are listing primarily those that show the institution at its best (or worst in a few cases). See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Universities#University ratings. Timrollpickering 22:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] "Notable Alumni
I'm pretty sure Rob Grant and Doug Naylor arent alumni, but actually dropped out in their second year. Despite the fact that theyre both now successful writers, surely its inaccurate to refer to them as "alumni"? 88.111.47.92 17:09, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Online education at UofL
Is there someone who can add something about the University of Liverpool's online graduate education programs? UofL was among the first universities in Europe to offer Masters degrees through an online system. 49oxen 01:09, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
Second this. I've seen an amount of promotion of their online course. I've also had people ask if they're a "real" university, since online degree programs have a dubious reputation. M0ffx 23:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Faculty of Science Section
I would like to suggest that a section on the Faculty of Science is included. The faculty of science supports a very large number of students, yet it does not even have its own section. While it may not represent a "traditional profession" such as law or medicine, the faculty is home to world class research and degree programmes of a high standard. I also think that the article in general is quite small considering that it is about a Russell group university with a strong and growing international reputation (and this is no less true in the faculty of science). I was wondering what anyone else thinks about this.CptSunbeam —Preceding comment was added at 18:12, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
