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[edit] Rector-Elect?

Is Craig Murray the Rector before he is installed? The university website seems to think so - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/pressreleases/2007/prfeb07/newrector.html

The Academic Secretary's email to the students leaves it open to both interpretations - "Craig Murray was elected Rector of the University on Friday 16 February 2007 for the usual 3 year term. The vote was: [numbers, signature etc]." --Breadandcheese 11:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit wars

WP:TEND etc makes it clear that is sort of behaviour is detrimental to the wider community. While I'm sure most of us would rather be doing better things than dealing with petty editing, we equally do not wish to create a consensus on such matters where one does not exist (or indeed, where the contrary seems to be agreed). There appears to be a hardcore of minor editors trawling the pages looking for things like this to change - I remind them that Wikipedia is not their soapbox for Righting Great Wrongs.

If there is another edit on this topic, I shall begin dispute resolution (WP:DR) - however equally I would prefer it left as there seems to be a feeling that this topic needs discussion in the wider scheme of things.--Breadandcheese 13:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

You seem to think that you have some sort of moral upper-hand here. However, referring to good faith edits by long-established editors as "vandalism" puts you in a rather poor light I am afraid. I have restore the consensus position. It is unclear what you mean by "negociation" in your last edit summary. Wikipedia is not some kind of trading market. --Mais oui! 20:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
Kindly indicate where this "consensus" of yours is sourced from - to me, it seems quite straightforward that the United Kingdom is the country that the University of Dundee is in. Scotland is a constituent country and a nation. To deny that the United Kingdom is a country is a blatent disregard of fact and indeed, there seems to be a consensus quite to the contrary in the Scotland talk page at the moment.
You are not adding anything to content, but instead editing perfectly correct information for what I can only assume is a political end. If you really must have the word 'Scotland' included in there, which I suppose is faintly relevant as it is Scotland-wide bodies which allocate funding, then fair enough - however editing simply to the exclusion of what is factually accurate and but you quite simply dislike is not on and, in my opinion, nothing short of vandalism. The longevity of your service is irrelevant, but since you bring it up, it seems you have quite a history of this sort of double standard. --Breadandcheese 01:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
As for your "negociation" (sic) - you will find that negotiation with other Wikipedians is the first step in dispute resolution as mentioned in WP:DR, something it must be said that you seem rather hostile to. --Breadandcheese 02:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
If anybody is concerned about use of the 'state' tag, it should be noted that it is complete unnecessary and there are free tags in the infobox which could be used to clarify the status in regards Scotland and the UK. --Breadandcheese 19:38, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
Agreed! Scotland is part of the UK so what is the problem? User:84.9.228.106
How very, very convenient that the dynamic IP sockpuppet pops up, minutes after its alter-ego leaves a message on its Talk page. This farce has gone on long enough. This blatant WP:POINT sockpuppet campaign must stop. --Mais oui! 22:41, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
I have a dynamic IP address. Not my fault my ISP gives me a new IP addy. User:84.9.228.106
Not to worry, Mais Oui! thinks everything 'must stop.' The rest of us will be assuming good faith as suggested by WP:AGF. However I too echo Mholland's point and suggest getting an account may be the way forward. I must agree with you - I too cannot see the problem, and those who seek to change the position seem to the exclusion of an actual fact and the distortion of the Template seem very scant with justification on that front. I'm just glad to see some movement here. --Breadandcheese 00:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Looks like Mais oui! has restarted the edit wars again.
Could I respectfully suggest that you register an account? There are several benefits. — mholland (talk) 22:59, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I have signposted this discussion at Wikipedia talk:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board#Consistency across articles. --Mais oui! 09:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Well at least that's something and I hope it stimulates some discussion. Consistency is of course required, and this will settle a point which has been raised on almost every Scottish university page, and edited back and forth without either explanation of debate. --Breadandcheese 09:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

There is yet another edit war starting, spread to the Dundee University Students' Association page. Obviously the inclination is to revert to the original position and seek protection for the page until this issue is negotiated, as per advice. However I realise that this negotiation is bound to fail as the elements engaging in said edit war have demonstrated themselves unwilling to behave. It's a rather unpleasant position, but as no debate will be had, there's very little else to do but hope that certain people get bored and go away. Breadandcheese 22:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I am unclear as to what you mean by the "original position". I think it may perhaps be unhelpful to point at arbitrary past revisions of an article as some sort of standard. As always I support a solution which has a place for both Scotland and the United Kingdom, but I argue this on its merits, not as a "restoration". — mholland (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, as far as I recall without looking at the archives, the past point went very much agreed upon for some time before what I consider a bit of an 'incident' - I certainly did not create the position which it appears that you and I support, however I do think if someone seeks to change it, the onus ought to be upon them to present a reasonable position when it seems that the consensus is against them, otherwise a presumption should be in favour of 'restoration'. Feel very free to correct my stance if it is inconsistent with Wikipedia policy. I do think it rather ridiculous that this problem has been happening back-and-forth on many Scottish university pages for as long as I've been on Wikipedia and there seems to be nobody willing to discuss it. The consensus seems to be 'sit back, let them fight it out til they get bored and stick with whatever remains thereafter'.
I would prefer to initiate some sort of wider policy review, and hopefully a consensus on the matter which can be applied to other pages, however I am not entirely aware how to go about this. --Breadandcheese 00:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I've protected the page for 48 hours to let you guys discuss further changes. Please don't continue edit warring after the protection expires. Ryan Postlethwaite 12:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)


If anyone has anything to add to the above, which I of course suggest was complete and utter nonsense, I shall revert back to the original version in due course. I've yet to be enlightened as to the motivations of the "Braveheart editors," which is not a terrific position to be in, but that's no reason to desist from removing pointless and incorrect edits. The point on consistency is well made, and the original Dundee position should hopefully be picked up by the other main university pages in Scotland. --Breadandcheese 21:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
I've fully protected the page *again*, for a week this time around. Please try to reach an agreement here. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 01:25, 13 July 2007 (UTC)