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Undergraduate enrollment figure looks a bit strange. Are there a few zeros missing?

Nope, UCSF is a graduate campus.


[edit] Humor

This whole section was removed. Some of the other UC sites have humor sections, why not UCSF?

[edit] Kessler link

The link for Dr. Kessler goes to a page about an actor, also named David Kessler, who lived about a century ago.

Removed link for now...someone can write up a page on this David Kessler and sort things out later... WildCowboy 09:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I've fixed it by creating a link to David Kessler (Scientist). Please see Wikipedia:Disambiguation for more information on how Wikipedia manages this issue. -- Longhair 09:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] this really needs some work

Like an intro paragraph, wikification, and perhaps it shouldn't sound like an ad.....Cornell Rockey 06:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nobel Laureates

The article says "UCSF's faculty includes three Nobel Prize winners . . . ." (present tense), and the list of "Noted Alumni/Faculty" lists Nobelists J. Michael Bishop (1989), Stanley Pusiner (1997) and Harold Varmus (1989). But Varmus left UCSF in 1993 to head the NIH, and moved from there to his current position as President of the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center. Unless there is another Nobel winner at UCSF who isn't on the list, the faculty actually includes only two Nobel Prize winners and the article should be edited to say so.

Technically, Varmus is still on the faculty at UCSF...Professor Emeritus of Microbiology and Immunology. It's an honorary position that is common in academia when distinguished faculty move on. He still comes back periodically, though not often. WildCowboy 04:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University of California, Riverside Survey

I'm posting this survey request Talk:University of California, Riverside#UCR Survey on all the UC talk pages in order to gather outside opinion on ongoing issues concerning the POV of this article. Please read the article and add your insights to the survey to help us identify any points of consensus in the UCR article. Thanks--Amerique 21:14, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey closed, thanks--Amerique 19:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] npov tag

Quoting above:

Like an intro paragraph, wikification, and perhaps it shouldn't sound like an ad.....Cornell Rockey 06:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I have great respect for UCSF, but this article sounds like an unsolicited endorsement.Michaelbusch 21:52, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

It's all true, though! ;^) --Fluffbrain 15:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Degrees conferred

It would be nice if this article listed in more or less general form the degrees offered by UCSF. Especially useful would be if it was explained why the number of undergrads is so low and also what exactly these undergrads are doing and what degree(s) they are getting.—lensovet–talk – 07:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe that the one small, undergrad program they did have was eliminated about five years ago. But I can't remember what the program was and can't find any references to support it, so I think that's why no one has updated the university profile on this page. WildCowboy 19:44, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

There are no undergrads. True, the Dental Hygiene BS program was eliminated a few years ago. UCSF offers MD, PhD, DDS, and MS degrees. The MS degrees only come "on the way" to a PhD, except for the MS in Clinical Research (via Epi & Biostats), which is only open to people who already have doctorates. The reference re: Dental Hygiene is here: http://dentistry.ucsf.edu/admissions/admiss_program2.html --Fluffbrain 15:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Sorry, also have some advanced Nursing and Pharmacy degrees. No time at the moment to detail -- will get later today. --Fluffbrain 15:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the note...the Dental Hygiene program was the one I was thinking of. The MS situation is a bit more complicated, as there are MS programs in the School of Nursing. Some of the graduate programs have admitted MS-track graduate students...Biological and Medical Informatics is one that comes to mind, but they have recently halted that practice. I don't know if there are other programs that still do this, but I think there is an MS-entry program in Oral and Craniofacial Sciences. The MS degree is typically not awarded to PhD-track graduate students unless they elect to leave the university prior to completing their PhD, but after having passed their qualifying examination or written a masters thesis. Some other programs/degrees offered by UCSF of the top of my head are PharmD, PharmD/PhD, PharmD/MPH (joint with Berkeley), DDS/PhD, DDS/MBA (joint with University of San Francisco), MD/PhD, MD/MS (joint with Berkeley), MD/MPH (joint with Berkeley). I also believe they have reactivated the History of Science program, offering an MA degree for professionals with a doctoral degree or enrolled in a doctoral program. The physical therapy program, joint with San Francisco State, offers MS/DPT, DPT, and DPTSc programs. I'm sure there are some I'm missing. Once someone develops a complete list, it should definitely be added to the article. WildCowboy 15:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
What i could never figure out is what exactly is the PharmD degree? They say the program is 4 years, and a PhD is a different program (PharmD/PhD), so is this a sort of undergraduate program? Man, I can never figure this place out...take a look at http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/uwnews/stat/statsum/fall2005/statsumm2005.pdf, statistics for the fall 2005 semester...it says that there were no undergrads enrolled in 2005, and 8 enrolled in 2004...at the same time, they managed to give out 21 bachelor's degrees in 2004 and 11 bachelor's degrees in 2005. you might also find some good info on this page: http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/uwnews/stat/ —lensovet–talk – 16:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
PharmD is the doctor of pharmacy professional degree that allows you to be a practicing pharmacist...it is a graduate program. The PharmD/PhD program trains students both as pharmacists and researchers...it's primarily for people looking to become faculty in pharmacy schools, but can be useful for others who are headed into research, particularly in pharmaceutical chemistry. Regarding the undergrad head counts, thanks for the links. So there were eight undergrads enrolled in fall 2004 and they awarded 11 undergrad degrees at the end of that academic year...the three extra degrees might be people who returned to campus to finish up their degrees in a winter or spring quarter but weren't around to be counted in the fall. Or people who had essentially finished their program in the previous year but not filed all of the proper paperwork to get their degree until the following year. WildCowboy 16:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Success! I've added the various degrees. Well, I may have missed a couple, reading the above more closely -- I didn't see the PharmD/MPH, DDS/MBA, etc. -- Maybe those are more individualized & semi- ad hoc? or maybe I just missed 'em! Anyway, I made a start on the list of degrees! ;^) --Fluffbrain 05:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Sole Graduate Campus Or Not?

"Though one of the ten campuses of the University of California, it is unique for being the only University of California campus dedicated solely to graduate education"

This is completely unture. UC-Hastings (College of Law) is another UC campus that is dedicated soley to graduate education.

I wouldn't say "completely untrue." Hastings has a unique relationship with UC in that it isn't governed by the Regents (although they do issue diplomas to Hastings graduates), and thus the University of California does not include in it their list of campuses. It falls under the category of "UC Locations" instead of "UC Campuses." WildCowboy 13:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

We seem to be heading for a low-scale edit war over whether UCSF is the only UC campus solely focused on graduate education. There are several editors who believe that Hastings College of the Law is a UC campus, and thus the UCSF is untrue. But due to Hastings' unique governance role, the UC Regents do not consider it to be one of the campuses.[1] Instead, it is listed under "More Locations" along with numerous other satellite locations, none of which are considered proper UC campuses.[2] In light of the Regents' position on this, I am going to revert the recent changes for now, but please discuss here whether something different should be done. WildCowboy 15:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur with WildCowboy the Hastings is NOT a UC Campus. It is part of the UC SYSTEM, but is not a CAMPUS (see quote below). --Fluffbrain 15:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

At times confusion has prevailed about exactly where Hastings fits into the legal education schematic. Some believe the College is connected to UCSF, the University of California's medical campus at Parnassus Heights. Others think it is part of Boalt Hall, the law school on the UC Berkeley campus. And there are those who believe Hastings is...well, simply Hastings. Hastings is none of the above. But what, then, is it? Along with law schools at Berkeley, UCLA, and Davis, Hastings is a part of the UC system and takes pride in its University of California affiliation. It is, however, distinguished by certain factors owing to the special nature of its founding in 1878. The Law Department On its establishment, Hastings was designated 'the law department of the University." Although the primary UC campus then was Berkeley, the founder specified the San Francisco Law Library as a principal resource for students' legal studies, which led to the College's home in San Francisco. At the turn of the century, the university's "Special Colleges" are described as Hastings College of the Law and the California College of Medicine, later UCSF. Hastings' Board of Directors Although, as provided by the founder, the College's degrees are awarded under the authority of the UC Board of Regents, in all other matters, the College is governed by an 11-member Board of Directors charged with handling all business matters. Thus, though Hastings follows many UC practices and policies, such as in purchasing and investment, and its employees are members of the UC Retirement System, the College maintains its own independent Civic Center campus, and receives its budgetary allotment from the California Legislature rather than through the UC Regents. [3]

[edit] Bioengineering

An edit was made on December 4th to add UCSC to the joint UCSF/UCB bioengineering program. I am fairly familiar with the bioengineering program and am not aware of any involvement in it by UCSC. The web page for the program also bears no reference to UCSC.[4] There is also no mention of it in the graduate program listing for the UCSC school of engineering,[5] although they are developing a BS program in the field. Perhaps the editor is confusing the bioengineering graduate program with QB3, which is a joint venture among the three campuses. I am going to revert the change for now, but if anyone finds evidence that UCSC is a part of the bioengineering PhD program, by all means re-add the info. WildCowboy 19:04, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject University of California

Several editors are organizing a WikiProject to better organize articles related to the University of California. A preliminary draft is available here. You are invited to participate in the discussion at Talk:University of California#Developing Wikiproject University of California. szyslak 21:33, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:UCSF bearlogo.PNG

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[edit] Fresno Campus

There is no mention of the Fresno campus on this page. Believe it or not, the Fresno campus is a vital and necessary part of the medical community in the central valley. The UCSF webpage mentions some stuff about the Fresno Campus and I think that there should be a section on it. Cadking3 (talk) 02:35, 14 February 2008 (UTC)