Talk:United States congressional delegations from California
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[edit] Merger
List of United States Senators from California is basically redundant with U.S. Congressional Delegations from California. --Mark Adler 21:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
- I support merging both lists. Dananderson 03:43, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- I also support the merge, seeing that both articles contain the same information, presumably. SiriusAlphaCMa 03:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Oppose - I wasn't too thrilled to see each state congressional delegation article augmented by these "List of Reps" and "List of Sens" articles. However, some very good work on the navigation templates has been completed and many "list" articles have already been created. I do think that these list articles need to present the information in some other way than repeating what is shown in the 'congression delegation' article--maybe alphabetical.--G1076 22:29, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Fails - I am removing the merge proposal as this issue has been dormant for a very long time, and a general consensus over all the state articles is for 3 articles: Congressional Delegation, List of Reps, and List of Senators. I will add a todo list to the article to suggest improvements to the article in harmony with the Project Congress article scheme.--G1076 17:19, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Marion Cannon
Note: I'm not entirely sure which district Marion Cannon was in, but that's the only place that really fits. --Golbez 08:17, Sep 4, 2004 (UTC)
[edit] Will Rogers
The bioguide site says Will Rogers, Jr. was a congressman from Oklahoma, not California. Can anyone clarify? PedanticallySpeaking 19:44, Aug 24, 2004 (UTC)
- I did on your talk. Different guy. --Golbez
- Bioguide says that William Vann Rogers, Jr. was a Congressman from California from 1943-1944. Look more carefully next time. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mazallen (talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
[edit] California Congressional Delegations
First a history lesson: California has gained seats in Congress -- which are apportioned on the basis of census results -- in every census since 1850. This means that every ten years, for the last 150 years, California has added new Congressional districts and thus has had to renumber older ones.
Second: wikipedia's editors do not take note of the previous fact and lazily assume that Congressional districts in California having the same number necessarily represent the same place and constituency -- maybe that's the case in England or Australia but definitely not in California! Therefore we find such absurdities as Jane Harman (who has always represented the beachfront Palisades area of LA county) being listed as having "succeeded" George E. Brown (who, again, had always represented the city of San Bernardino -- which, for those of you who do not know, is in the inland desert east of Los Angeles County.) For the record, Brown died in office and was succeeded by "The Honorable" Mr. Joe Baca -- also of San Bernardino.
So, thirdly: will someone please do the research and correct these glaring, howling, errors concerning the California Congressional delegation? A good place to start would be to obtain copies of the Almanac of American Politics (dating from 1975) and read them. For older records, try looking in the Congressional Record (which often lists the places these Congressmen claim residency in -- which often coincide with places within their said districts.) And most of all, consult a map, please ....
Mazallen 23:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC) Mazallen
- That someone could be you, Mazallen. Wikipedia pages are editable by anybody!
- Constituencies aren't numbered at all in the UK and Australia, FYI. They have names that remain (relatively) stable, which means that this sort of thing is easier to figure out for those countries. --Jfruh (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
- I made a table of California's seats with the seats arranged in the order they were created and will have it up shortly. In the case of more than one seat having been created, the districts are in the order of the number they were assigned at the time of their creation. I was pretty much able to arrange everyone in the proper order of succession, but had some trouble with arranging the seats for the results of the 1982 election, when the redistricting resulted in some Republican congressmen retiring. The ones I had the most difficulty with trying to place were Wayne Grisham and Bob Dornan. Socal gal at heart (talk) 16:04, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
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- I started work on ordering the districts so that they are arranged in the proper order of succession, with the first three done so far. Evolution of California's congressional districts --Socal gal at heart (talk) 20:54, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've see the original thread started in 2007, so the concerns many not still be there, though the "district succession" succession versus "constituent succession" has been a hot topic for a few editors as evident in various articles throughout Wikipeida. But district number has been the standard for succession for a while now, because its the most practical, (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_U.S._Congress#Redistricting_and_succession. I've been trading discussions with Socal gal on this. Her Evolution of districts article is a good one, and I agree that there is room to display this kind of information. It's just a matter of the best way to do so without adding to the confusion. I think individual notes on articles when there is massive redistricting, is the best approach, like that used in Bart_Stupak's article.Dcmacnut (talk) 16:10, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
