Talk:United States administrative law

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A little too much cleanup? I think this diff is definately removing too much info for just cleanup, some of the info should be useful. «»Who?¿?^meta 01:07, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

I've brought some of it back. Amcfreely 05:58, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What a mess...

This article looks like a slightly-cleaned up version of a second-year law student's admin law outline. Besides the obvious stylistic issues, it completely ignores the whole other universe of administrative law — the strange realm of government manuals, handbooks, and bulletins that lies beyond the APA. I'm referring to the SSA POMS, the USPTO OED General Requirements Bulletin, the MUTCD, and other similar documents which have de facto substantive legal effect but have never been promulgated properly through APA procedures. POMS exists in its own legal universe altogether while the Bulletin and the MUTCD are included in the CFR only by reference.

Also, POMS has even been mentioned and given Chevron deference by the U.S. Supreme Court, even though it's not promulgated through APA rulemaking procedures! It's amazing it's not mentioned here. --Coolcaesar 08:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, no one has bothered to defend the status quo. I assume this means no one will mind when I start to move things around a bit in a few months (after I finish with Lawyer). --Coolcaesar 06:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I would say that these pages should be a combination of a law student outline and the substantive administrative law. The appropriate place for the detailed information and case explanations would be the individual areas of administrative law linked to from this page. --Gtouchton 04:51, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adjudication Hearings

I've removed the reference to the APA because the formal hearing provisions of the APA dont' get triggered unless a statute requires a "hearing on the record". I figure a statute's incorporation of the APA would be covered under "required by statute". Idag (talk) 04:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)