Talk:United States Senate election in Connecticut, 2006
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[edit] Separating Polling into sections
I liked it much better when each company polling was separated, as each company has different methodologies, thus aggregating them together doesn't really give a good timeline. Instead, if we separate them into company (and thus similar methodology), we can at least identify trend lines. I'm going to change in a bit if no one else has a problem. --kizzle 17:38, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree. I find the separated polling sections harder to read. Each polling company is already identified in the first column, anyway. --JHP 15:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Kizzle on this. Each polling company has different methodologies and including them all in one table introduces trends lines that are not correct. While all of the latest polling shows Lieberman with a lead, the chronological ordering of the polls on a single table make it appear that on August 17, Lieberman had a 12 point lead but a week later on August 21 and 22 he had a 2 point lead, and then a week after that it was a 10 point lead. 10 point swings like that are more likely due to different methodologies than any actual swings. The first column is more to cite the source than to repeat the name. We could technically make it a ref tag next to the date, which would remove that redundancy. --Bobblehead 15:30, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- In addition, the Florida, New York, Ohio, and Virginia polling sections (as examples) don't have polls separated by polling company, so this Connecticut article seems to be going against the Wikipedia norm. If you insist on separating by polling company then listing the polling company in the first column is redundant, so the first column should be removed from each table. --JHP 15:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
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- When I get some time, I'll propose changing those pages as well, according to the rationale I expressed above. Aggregating different polls with different methodologies together in a chronological fashion introduces false trend lines. --kizzle 19:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- First column gone. --Bobblehead 20:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- Me likey. --kizzle 22:55, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- First column gone. --Bobblehead 20:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
- When I get some time, I'll propose changing those pages as well, according to the rationale I expressed above. Aggregating different polls with different methodologies together in a chronological fashion introduces false trend lines. --kizzle 19:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] POV ad description
I do not think an ad that doesn't make a specific charge about a candidate can be deemed "an attack ad" . Hence my edit
[edit] NPOV attack on Lieberman's pollster
I removed a claim that Lieberman's pollster was accused of fraud. His current pollster is Public Opinion Strategies, which is the firm that conducted the poll some Lieberman critic thinks is biased. The cited article does not reference this firm, rather another firm that did not conduct the poll in question. Wikipedia should not be used to make potentially libelous statements —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.181.54.81 (talk • contribs) .
- Please sign your posts while posting on Wikipedia. (Using four consecutive of these symbols ~) The user who posted these allegations cited an associated press release that verifieds those specific chargers. It is also a fact that the poll was a remarkable outlier when contrasted with all other polling since August 8th.
- 66.188.208.180 04:34, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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- The article does not support the claim so I removed the post. The firm respnsible DID NOT conduct the poll the Lamont camp doesn't like
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- As 66.188.208.180 points out, you should sign your posts while on Wikipedia talk pages. Whether or not you believe these allegations to be true or libelous is insigificant. The charges have been filed, as the cited article shows. It is perfectly legitimate to discuss controversy over a Lieberman pollster being charged with consumer fraud, and it is not "opinion" but a statistical fact that the recently leaked internal poll gives Lieberman far better numbers than the average polling since August 8th.
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- 216.70.37.171 16:54, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm a bit confused on the polling controversy section. The Boston Herald article is in regards to Tracy Costin who was the owner of a company called DataUSA and is now known as Viewpoint USA. The guilty plea relates to polling conducted between 2002 and 2004. However, the outlier poll is by Public Opinion Strategies. It appears that we are talking about two different polling companies. One that provided polling for Lieberman in 2002 (DataUSA) and another that is providing polling for Lieberman now (Public Opinion Strategies). The article states that Costin was indicted last year, so it seems that while the owner of a polling company that previously did polling for Lieberman plead guilty to forgery charges, not the owner of the current company that is doing polling for Lieberman. Am I missing the connection between Public Opinion Strategies and DataUSA(now Viewpoint USA). --Bobblehead 17:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- I went ahead and removed the sentence per WP:BLP. Find a link between Viewpoint USA, Tracy Costin, and Public Opinion Strategies and then it can be added back. Until then it's an inaccurate and potentially damaging connection. --Bobblehead 17:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm a bit confused on the polling controversy section. The Boston Herald article is in regards to Tracy Costin who was the owner of a company called DataUSA and is now known as Viewpoint USA. The guilty plea relates to polling conducted between 2002 and 2004. However, the outlier poll is by Public Opinion Strategies. It appears that we are talking about two different polling companies. One that provided polling for Lieberman in 2002 (DataUSA) and another that is providing polling for Lieberman now (Public Opinion Strategies). The article states that Costin was indicted last year, so it seems that while the owner of a polling company that previously did polling for Lieberman plead guilty to forgery charges, not the owner of the current company that is doing polling for Lieberman. Am I missing the connection between Public Opinion Strategies and DataUSA(now Viewpoint USA). --Bobblehead 17:12, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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Apologies, and thank you for your correction.
66.188.208.180 20:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Less is More edits Sept. 20
I did some cleanup of this article. The article is quite long and I removed some tangential information that seemed POV. I think the article still has some POV problems--for instance in the Candidates section, Lamont's piece focusses on his platform, Ferruci's mentions one point of it and Lieberman's and Schlessinger's don't even mention their positions. I'm willing to discuss any of the changes I made; I tried to clarify them to some extent. Doctofunk 23:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ordering of Candidates
The order in which candidates are listed has changed a few times recently. In looking around wikipedia, it seems that generally the incumbent and/or the candidate leading in polls is listed highest. Since both are true of Lieberman, it makes sense he should be listed first. It makes no sense to have him listed after Schlessinger, who isn't a competitive candidate. Doctofunk 19:52, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- A stroll through the races listed on United States Senate elections, 2006 seems to be rather arbitrary as to which is listed first. Some don't have any sectional breaks by party and just mention the candidates in the intro of the article and then jump right into the history of the race. Others are alpha by party, others by the incumbent. The one thing they all have in common is that third party candidates are listed after the Dems and Reps. Even Vermont, which has an Independent incumbent and an Independent poll leader, follows this pattern. --Bobblehead 20:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- I can't imagine why an encyclopedia article about an election would list a non-competitive candidate before a competitive one. The Vermont article lists Bernie Sanders first last I checked. Doctofunk 19:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ah, and that is where you hit the sticky wicket. It lists the Democratic Party first, which was won by Bernie Sanders. Problem being, Bernie Sanders won't be running as a Democrat. He's running as an Independent and he's listed there as well. Realistically, the order can be anything, putting it in alpha by last name, first name, or party is equally acceptable. *shrug* That's why it's called an arbitrary decision. --Bobblehead 20:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- I can't imagine why an encyclopedia article about an election would list a non-competitive candidate before a competitive one. The Vermont article lists Bernie Sanders first last I checked. Doctofunk 19:51, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Libertarians
An anonymous user has been adding information on the registered write-in candidates to both this page and the Connecticut gubernatorial election, 2006 page. On the secretary of state website, their party affiliations are not listed. I did some googling and found both Carl E. Vassar and John M. Joy listed in the "Political Graveyard" as Libertarians. However, the Libertarian Party of CT and Libertarian Party of the U.S. don't mention either of them as candidates for governor or senator. As such, I feel like they ought not be characterized as representing the Libertarian Party in the Election results box. Thoughts? Schi 22:47, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
- We don't have reliable sources for their political affiliations. Political Graveyard is not a reliable source. Strike it. Captainktainer * Talk 02:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
- Agree; I've removed the Libertarian affiliations from the article until someone turns up a reliable source. For the election box, I changed it back to "Other", since that's what it was before it was changed to Libertarian. Schi 08:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Reference cleanup
The current referencing is a bit of a mess; it's most raw urls without meta-information. Worse, many of them are broken. I'm going through trying to re-attribute information–I've got access to Lexis Nexis which is helping a bit. If someone with local access to the Stamford Advocate could find those old articles it would help a lot. Mackensen (talk) 22:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Further matter: the endorsement section is long and unwieldy. Do we really need it? Does the article benefit from it? Is there a better way to integrate this information? Mackensen (talk) 20:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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