Talk:Unique Master Citizen Number

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[edit] translation of the name

Wouldn't better translation be "unique matrix citizen number"? Nikola 09:01, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. Perhaps we should look at the meaning -- I think the "matični" part has the same meaning as the same word in "matični ured" (public office and register for birth/marriage/death certificates), so it could be translated the same way that kind of a phrase is used in English. --Joy [shallot] 13:08, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
And it is translated as what? Master office? :) Nikola 15:24, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I really don't know, so I just left it alone until someone else raised the issue here :) --Joy [shallot] 19:47, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Translation....

"Matični Broj" - while it could be translated in many different ways, its intended meaning in Serbian is "Master Number" as in main number; as opposed to all of the other numbers citizen may use including passport or drivers license. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ffrkovic (talk • contribs) 10:07, 13 November 2004

I checked what's actually used as the English translation of JMBG or EMŠO. The most common translation seems to be "Unique Personal Identification Number", while the one with "master number" is hardly found outside Wikipedia. Shall we move this page? Zocky 03:44, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Go for it. 68.39.174.238 00:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Equation

That equation can't be right - it doesn't fit the excel formula below, if nothing else. Plus, the notes under it don't really make sense. Zocky 03:44, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

1. Could you point to where the equation and the formula disagree? I don't see it.
2. I believe the notes are not entrierly correct: If m is 11 (i.e. 11 - 0), then K is 0, and if m is 10 (i.e. 11-1) then the number is invalid and discarded. The Excel formula does not take this into consideration.
--Arveh 8 Aug 2005
It didn't use to make sense. It's been corrected since. Zocky 13:32, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
# If m is 10, K can not be calculated (e.g. some of first 12 characters are not correct)
# If m is 11, K becomes 0 (zero)

These two statements are wrong. If m would be 10, that doesn't mean some of the first 12 chars are incorrect, it could be the possibility, just as m could easily become 11, but that kind of JMBGs are being avoided --> in such cases the unique number (BBB) is simply increased. Chupo 02:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] References and other

1. It would be interesting if somebody could list more of the regions used for the RR component, if anyone has information on this.
2. Can anyone provide a reference to confirm this was introduced in 1976? I have seen information that indicates JMBGs where introduced 1981 (i.e. all children born 1 January 1981 or later automatically got JMBG assigned).
3. Finally, references to official documents describing the JMBG would be welcome, if anyone has any.
--Arveh 8 Aug 2005