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[edit] Miscellania

There are many theories out there, all of them with questions left to answer. The Unified Theory (Theory of everything) should not have any unanswered questions left, no exceptions AND explain everything. The only theory that would do that is the theory that can explain and make one understand that 'everything equals nothing'. That theory is there... no wave stuff or formulas, no limited dimensions, none of that 'scientific' mumbo-jumbo AND no phantom allmighty god either, just an explanation of process and description of everything and nothing. It's the OMNI theory and the author is Robert Badoux. It is described in the book: The Face of God, The Unified theory.

Caroline Thompson 10:28, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC): Hi Robert, I've deleted stuff on TIME, SPACE and tensors and altered the link to my site to a link to a PWA paper. As written, the article seems to imply that what you are describing is the Wave Structure of Matter theory of Milo Wolff. It is in fact your own theory. Can you make this clearer?

[[ Dear Caroline. I am sure that some theories out there resemble mine. I have no idea, I don't read much. But sofar, I haven't received any conclusive proof from anybody telling me that my theory is wrong or incomplete. The Theory of everything can never be proven to be correct because as times goes by, we will witness new phenomena and they all have to fit within the theory and we never know what happens tomorrow. Therefore, my theory will always remain a theory. On the other hand.. no one has come up with something to prove me wrong. In my eyes, validation will never be acchieved, but the theory will become more accepted over time.. the more people try to disprove it and can't, the more it will be validated. I am rewriting the book now.. not altering the theory itself of course, but well...I'd like to spice it up somewhat, being a sarcastic person. (grin)..After it's done, I will put it on the interent for free download..since i can't trust my publisher. They have been screwing me royally on the royalties.]]

I still don't understand why the fact that it explains Mach's principle (a point on which I agree!) means that it has to be a "relative motion" theory. It is surely basically an aether theory?

Caroline Thompson 10:28, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC): Further thoughts: What you need, I think, is to wait until you've finished the Wave Structure Matter page, preferably in a manner agreed within the WSM group, then use this as your main link.

[edit] One thing missing

I am not a physicist, nor do I play one on TV. In fact, this all very much baffles me, though I find it very interesting. That disclaimer aside, I found this article failed to address quickly and directly the problem, which is the incompatibility of general relativity and quantum mechanics. It is simply not made clear here. Digging into the four forces individually is necessary certainly, but showing the division upfront right in the intro would clarify this a lot to poor confused people like me. Something like the first paragraph here right in the introduction would be very helpful. --Steven Fisher 08:38, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the fundamental problem is not easily understood in lay terms. I have added a brief explanation with a link to the relevant article to explain the technical term (renormalization). — DAGwyn 22:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quantum Gravity.

Some time ago, I watched a television documentary in which scientists claimed the universe was created at the instant of the big bang, by a collision between two pre-existing universes.

With this idea in mind, I have wondered if the reason why a theory of quantum gravity cannot be found is because our universe is a hybrid universe, represented by two mathematical theories, wholly alien to each other, which can never be unified.

                      This is just a thought from a layman
                                  Derek R Crawford.


[edit] Quack Theories

I changed Quack theories to Amateur theories, just to make the title sound more professional.


why does this page not mention tesla? he was said to have gathered a lot of information on this subject, but he never published it Aptitude 01:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Heim Theory

very surpising omission. I"ll add it in with usual caveats to mollify the Heim haters. Take Care!--Will314159 12:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theory of Everything

Shouldn't this article be merged with Theory of Everything?

No. A theory that unifies the electroweak interaction with QCD is certainly not a theory of everything. It's not a theory of gravity, for example. -- Xerxes 18:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you. Yet according to the introduction of this article, the subject is:
...an attempt to unify all the fundamental forces and the interactions between elementary particles into a single theoretical framework. The term was coined by Einstein who attempted to reconcile the general theory of relativity with electromagnetism in a single field theory. His quest proved elusive and a unified field theory, sometimes grandiosely referred to as the Theory of Everything (TOE, for short), has remained the holy grail for physicists, the long-sought theory which would explain the nature and behavior of all matter.
In physics, the forces between objects can be described as mediated by fields. Current theory says that at subatomic distances, these fields are replaced by quantum fields interacting according to the laws of quantum mechanics..... The essential belief of a unified field theory is that the four fundamental forces ....as well as all matter are simply different manifestations of a single fundamental field. A unified field theory aims to reconcile the four fundamental forces (or fields) of nature (from strongest to weakest)...
That is what bothers me. The article seems to be about the same topic as discussed in the Theory of everything article. We could (A) rewrite the intro to this article, to make it clear how this article should be distinguished in intent and content from ToE. Perhaps some paragraphs from this article could be moved to ToE, or vice-versa. (B) It may be better to merge the two articles, and have links to other articles on specific unification schemes that are not proposed as "ToE"s. (I have no preference at the moment.) Your thoughts? RK 19:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Reposted from RK's talk page:
I suggest resolving this issue by turning unified field theory into unification (physics) and extending it to talk about other unifications. Otherwise, theory of everything article should cover the remaining material. Either way, neither should be merged with GUT. -- Xerxes 14:27, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually Einstein used the term "Theory of Everything" to discribe this theory according to Brian Greene H0riz0n

[edit] Needs cleanup and fact-checking

For example, M-theory is not primarily due to Michio Kaku and Briane Greene. Most people would mention at least the name of Edward Witten! There are many other concerns about organization, coverage, emphasis. ---CH 10:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Grand unification theory

That appears to be about the same thing, only seemingly written for someone with a master's in physics (who presumably knows what a unified field theory is) rather than the typical Wikipedia reader. If I'm wrong, please say so. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 22:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

GUT is a step along the way to a Unified field theory - it does not attempt to bring gravity into the theory. The two should remain separate. --Exodio 03:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Okay: I'm not a physicist. But then should this be merged with Theory of everything? See #Theory of Everything above for someone who disagrees with you about what the term means. It should certainly be merged with one or the other, it sounds like, no? Either that, or it should be renamed to "Unified field theories" and someone should add references to both of those articles. —Simetrical (talk • contribs) 02:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you. It sounds like the two articles should be merged. But there seems to be subtle differences between the two - I am going to research a little more into both articles and see if I can figure out how they are different and how they are the same. It seems like quantum theory in general is slightly disorganized and repetitive though. --Exodio 04:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree, GUTS, unified field theory and TOE's are three different things in physics. Perhaps the aricles are lacking in clarity and description as to why they differ; the answer, however, is not to merge them. Guys, if you don't know the subject matter, you should not be making these kinds of suggestions to begin with. Please don't be so bold. linas 23:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] UFT and TOE are entirely seperate concepts

UFT is an attempt to unify the four fundamental forces. TOE, however, as its name suggests, is an attempt explain all known physical phenomena under one theory. The article erroneously implies that the two are similar if not the same thing.

Bottom line: TOE encompasses everything UFT does (and more), but not vise versa. 206.248.176.57 05:28, 19 March 2007 (UTC)StE

[edit] Grammar error

There is no a priori reason why there must exist a unified field theory —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.199.126.5 (talk) 03:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] First unification

I qualified the claim that Maxwell's theory was the first unification in physics. After all, Newton unified celestial mechanics with terrestrial gravity. Arguably, any significant advance in science is a unification of sorts, and there were plenty of others between Newton's time and Maxwell's (and also before Newton's time). Not to diminish the importance of Maxwell's theory as a model for later attempts at unified field theories! NB Faraday did experiments in 1849-50 looking for gravito-electric and gravito-mechanical effects... PaddyLeahy 20:07, 5 August 2007 (UTC) ==The connection between The unified field theory and the ancient vedic texts as outlined by Dr. John Hagelin can't be denyed. Is everything connected to a unifying principle or seperate and unrelated. This specifically defeats the Big Bang Theory of a single origin of everything. The vedic texts of India are some of the oldest scientific books on Earth and have since been proven as universal laws beyond natural laws i.e. gravity by countless Yogis and other saints. Jesus did walk on water because the physical density of his body was beyond the reach of gravity. Just as there are countless reports of levitation by all peoples, even Chris Angel! The observer effects the outcome of an experiment. If that observer believes it is not possible that is what he/she will witness.


[edit] Census Request

We need to discuss whether or not the only other name that the unified field theory goes by is theory of everything. Let us talk about removing all links from the see also list that do not refer specifically to the unified field theory or the theory of everything. Let us discuss merging this article with the theory of everything article and having just one article and no see also list. Afterall I say, if it's the theory of EVERYTHING, what else is there to see also????? So let's discuss it.

Allrighty then, offer for good discussion going once, going twice...

Well, I must say I am thoroughly unimpressed with yall's ability to discuss the theory of everything which you are designed to be able to understand as human beings. Pity, for I had a dream once that it would be easy for those with apt minds to understand the unoriginal research done by all human kind, which says, as a simple matter of english, that in order for a field to be unified in the pure sense of the term it must therefore be divided by no thing. Once we all finally and of course arrive at the advent of realization, that the unified field and all those who inhabit it are united, for light and all that forms the unified field seperates not in theory, then we will be able to discuss that which has been set before us since time immemorial to understand.
Particularly is my heart dissappointed by Silly Rabbit, who so excellently made the suggestion that we hold a discussion on this page, but who, when I extended the issue, so un-excellently seemed to dissappear into thin air. It is clear to see that nobody is willing to put forth the effort to make this a better article - either that or none of ya'll are organized enough to make any kind of agreement. Well, your expert call has been answered. Now have you been silenced?
Oh well, it is all just a good. Someone must now carry on in the name of justice. Until somebody finally starts talking, contest links will be removed every day from now untill eternity. If you wish to block all the ip adresses here at Tech and deprive everyone the right to participate in wikipedia as you have so tried to deprive me, then there is nothing to stop you. You have free will as granted to you by the TOE. However, know that everything will stop at nothing, and as I am part of everything just as you are I will use whatever ip address there is on the planet earth to carry on the cause of justice. So, it seems you have met your expert foe. Perhaps, if you change your mind and decide to open it up to discussion, we will act in cohesion instead of trying to fight eachother with revert wars.
WIshing for the best, Archetype
Dear Archetype/Carbogen: I know Tech, and therefore find it hard to assume that you are ignorant enough to be making these edits in good faith. If you are, then give respect to whoever is paying for your fees, by allowing your professors to educate you (so: talk with them about your ideas). In any case you ought to understand that "see also" in an encyclopedia does not introduce a list of synonyms. You have already been blocked multiple times for disruptive edits like these. and if your actions do incur a range block on Tech addresses I doubt that you will be very popular there. PaddyLeahy 18:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the reply. To the contrary, I am well respected in my community. Those things that are taught in the text books and known about at large are predominantly wrong and antiquated ideas. Once the number 1/0 is actually defined (it takes courage I know) it demonstrates quite clearly and without a shadow of a doubt that the laws of thermodynamics are reversible and quite specifically that the arrow of time will reverse completely whenever the expansion of our universe has been carried to such an extent that two points in space seperated by one planck distance finally begin expanding away from eachother at greater than the speed of light. For this prediction, or realization as I call it, I am highly honored by my physics professors and encouraged to continue with my research. All academicians and students here at Tech endorse the Antigravity Research club which I incepted to study inventions that have been horribly neglected, and also to develop technology, the design of which has been awarded to me as a result of my insight into the definition of the absolute greatest value, the value of the energy of the source of all motion, 1/0. 1/0, or that which is divided by no other thing, is the amount of all energy and therefore the actual and exact definition of the so-called "unified field."
It seems you are losing ground dear friend, but you would do well to embrace the new realizations soon to be shaking the world of physics. These realizations will give us abilities to unite mankind, convert to fuel-less energy means, and travel the stars and learn our true place in the universe. These realizations will allow you to see that the world is one of abundance once you know the secret of how the universe sustains and "creates" and "destroys" energy. Fear not my friend, for your time to understand well is close at hand, and near on the future horizon. Thank you again for your honest reply, and prepare for the changes that this unified field theory will truely bring in the twinkling of an eye, at a time that approaches inexorably and will soon be upon us all!!

sincerely, Archetype

[edit] Concerning the recent "protection"

Hah ha ha ha, whoever protected this article I want you to know that's exactly what I wanted! For you to have it your way! Now this article will remain indefinitely stuck in the dark ages. Ha ha ha, it's so funny; now the entire spirit of the wikipedia has been undermined. And isn't it ironic. DOn't you think?

Well, I'm glad you can finally have it your way. Don't ever change or you might be inclined to let the truth come into season.

-Archetype

[edit] New developments

Physicists Nassim Haramein and E. A. Rauscher's are showing some promising work towards establishing a Unified Field Theory. The foundation of their theory uses angular momentum/spin at both the macro and micro scale to unify gravity with the other forces of nature. These physicist are respected members of the physics community and they are currently publishing their peer-reviewed papers for further reference. Their findings are relatively new and definitely worth researching further. A note of their findings should be mentioned for all those interested. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.147.201 (talk) 18:46, 16 September 2007 (UTC)