Talk:Unfaithful (song)

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Contents 1 Lyrics as Possible Copyright Infringement? 2 Similarity 2.1 Unfaithful 2.2 Lonely No More 3 More similarity 4 AU chart 5 Homage 6 "Similarity" that is too broad 7 Classifying Song as R&B

[edit] Lyrics as Possible Copyright Infringement?

Since I'm not as familiar with the copyright provisions for lyrics on Wikipedia (though Wikipedia:Lyrics does imply that full lyrics are not allowed under copyright law), does anyone else have any comments about the legality of including the entire song's lyrics into the body of the article? Thanks! // Windchaser 23:29, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Lyrics are not allowed unless the person has permission from the record company or the artist/band. Only small segments are allowed. Tcatron565 13:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

There isn't really much in the rest of the lyrics other than the structure and small highly speculative comparisons that I personally wouldn't even bother with argueing or discussing.

[edit] Similarity

Is it just me or the segments of this song sounds very similar to Rob Thomas's Lonely_No_More? Kenimaru 09:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Compare the segment:

[edit] Unfaithful

I don't wanna do this anymore

I don't wanna be the reason why

Everytime I walk out the door

I see him die a little more inside

I don't wanna hurt him anymore

I don't wanna take away his life

I don't wanna be...

A murderer

[edit] Lonely No More

I don't wanna be lonely no more

I don't wanna have to pay for this

I don't want to know the lover at my door

Is just another heartache on my list

I don't wanna be angry no more

You know I could never stand for this

So when you tell me that you love me know for sure

I don't want to be lonely anymore

• Don't get me wrong, both are good songs.

• To be honest, when you highlight the resemblance it doesn't sound similar at all. But the first time I heard the song, I thought it was a Rob Thomas cover. So I, totally, agree. PoorLeno 22:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More similarity

While we're on the topic of similarity, am I the only one who thinks the opening melody of "Unfaithful" sound strikingly similar to that of Madonna's "Papa Don't Preach"? :D

[edit] AU chart

Its peaked at #8 on the Australian Digital Track Chart, before it's even had a physical release I think. Could someone please add that?

[edit] Homage

"The song is also a homage to classic R&B songs." Is there any proof of this? Such as some indication of the songs this plays 'homage' to?

[edit] "Similarity" that is too broad

This is ridiculous...a lot of songs use lyrics that say "I dont wanna" and the word "more". And who cares if it does use similar lyrics??? The song kicks ass for a ballad, and it has a really powerful message.

The songs also have a very similar rhythm, tone, flow, and general sound. Also I made the effort of not just highlight words that both songs contained, but if you listened to both songs, you can see that they are the same place in the song as well. The only reason I am even able to say "same place" is because the lyrics and flow of both songs manage to arrive at the chourus at a similar "point" in the song. The duration of the first and second verses for Unfaithful is :25 and the verses for Lonely No More is :24, the duration of the chorus for Unfaithful is :26 and the chorus for Lonely No More is :22, keep in mind Rihanna has that little pause at the end of the chorus for Unfaithful ;), also the prechorus for Unfaithful starts only 1 or 2 seconds before the chorus for Lonely No More, also while Unfaithful has a prechorus that lasts :12 in front of the first two choruses and only a verse lasting :26 in front the third chorus, Lonely No More has verses in front of the chourus every time, starts it's vocals four seconds later, and a much longe extro. The songs in their entirety differ only by four seconds. I am not trying to accuse Rihanna or anyone for that matter for stealing anyone elses music, nor I am trying to somehow protect Rob Thomas. The first time I heard Unfaithful I like the song as it was, but did notice that it seemed somehow familiar, after all, it wasn't the first song by her that had existing origins elsewhere. I am not a fan of Rob Thomas, I barely listen to his music, thruth be told this was the only reason I have. I am more of a fan of Rihanna if anything and I am not writing this to try and bash or demean her in anyway, after all, her record company gives her a song to do, and she does it, well. If anyone has anyway of contacting anyone affiliated wiuth either of there two artists or their record companies please do so I don't care how long a respone will take, as a person with a general interest in music I would want nothing more than to see this matter concluded and the arguement and speculation solved, either way, for good.

This song sucks ass. Some teenage star telling her "painful" relationship experiences. It really sucks ass. Painbearer 09:07, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Classifying Song as R&B

There have been a couple edits and revisions that have given an R&B tag to this record. While it perhaps best falls under the realm of the so-called "pure pop" record, it did receive some R&B / Urban AC airplay. Therefore, I feel that leaving an R&B tag on this record, along with the existing Pop tag, is appropriate.

Comments?--InDeBiz1 (talk) 03:00, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

This song has no urban influence at all. Charmed36 (talk) 03:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you are wrong, plain and simple. If you don't hear the Urban/R&B influence in the chords and the beats, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Also, as I noted above, this record received charting airplay on the Rhythmic, Urban, and (I'm fairly certain) the Urban AC charts. Therefore, the R&B tag - along with the Pop tag - is appropriate.

Reviewing your talk page, it appears that you have been warned about changing genres on records before. Please, after I revert your edit here (as I already have on Shut Up and Drive), do not remove the R&B tags. If you do, I will bring the edits to the attention of Administrators.--InDeBiz1 (talk) 04:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I can report to administrators too. I have once before. Charmed36 (talk) 20:01, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Something is going hot in here. Cool guys. --Efe (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)