Talk:Underwater photography

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[edit] Convert from List to Article

An article should be more than just a whole bunch of lists. I'd rework the article myself, but this is really out of my area of experience. Anyone else? —Frecklefoot 13:43, 22 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Removed from article

I removed this from the article's second paragraph:

There are not super secters to taking good photo's. shoot up, bracket-bracket-bracket, get close.

Most of it sounds like nonesense. Super secters? Shoot up, bracket-bracket-bracket, get close? I can guess what is meant by "Shoot up" and "get close," but "bracket-bracket-bracket"? If these are common photography terms, they need to be explained. Even cursory explanations would be better than nothing. —Frecklefoot 18:19, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup needed?

There's a lot of "generally", "typically", and similar phrases that talk about the common case, but not why they're the common case, or when the uncommon case might occur. Probably needs a general cleanup, more than I can give it ... 130.194.11.64 04:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of professional photographers

I have reinstated the list of links to professional photographers websites. My justification is that many of these are fine examples of the art of underwater photography, rather than blatant attempts to make money from the people that visit the sites. As resources for people who are interested in the topic I consider them valuable. Please do not delete the list without discussing here first. --Cheesy Mike 15:46, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read again WP:NOT#LINK and we are not making a directory of all professional photographers around the world. The list is already excessive. If some of them are notable enough, then create an article about them and then put wikilink in the See Also section. I didn't discuss here because it is stated there in WP:EL and WP:SPAM. — Indon (reply) — 16:42, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, having that many links is just silly. Wikipedia is not a collection of external links, and that's official policy. Veinor (talk to me) 16:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
I support removing all the links to individual photogaphers. The sites are not about Underwater Photography in general, so lack the requirement for symmetry noted in WP:EL. Also WP:NOT#LINK. If the photographers themselves meet WP:NOTABLE then they can have a page devoted to their work. This article is not the place for these links. -- Alucard (Dr.) | Talk 17:08, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Inaccuracies

I am an underwater photographer and there are a number of inaccuracies in this article which need to be corrected/properly researched.

"In practice, underwater photographers only use either wide-angle lenses or macro lenses, " - this is incorrect. While the use of these lenses in common, standard range zoom lenses are also used and provide flexibility where the photographer needs to shoot a range of subjects which may vary in size. This is important as the lens cannot usually be changed mid-dive.

"These housings also have connectors to attach external flash units, since any flash on the camera itself will be blocked by the housing." - this is incorrect. Many (probably most) housings allow the use of the internal flash and this flash is commonly used in less expensive set-ups.

"There have been some attempts to avoid the use of flash entirely, but these have mostly failed. " - this overstates the situation. The use of 'available light' for photography attracts considerable interest and can produce good results. It is most successfully used in shallow (<10m) water but also in situations where poor visibility precludes the successful use of a flash. The use of 'white balance' settings, now common on digital cameras, also produces good results without the purple water effects mentioned. A test shot of a white card is taken at the same depth as the subject and the camera uses this to make adjustments to the colour of the shot. Even at depths of 30 or 40 metres, the correct use of white balance can produce acceptable pictures. Flash is not normally used with white balance as the light it produces then appears pink.

Uwphoto1 19:54, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Great, then could you please correct that, or perhaps you can tag {{cn}} to ask for citations on specific statements that you think they are incorrect. That will challenge the editors and give the rights to other editors to eliminate the unsourced claims. Please see WP:ATT for further details. I'm not an expert of this, thus I can't correct them with my limited knowledge. — Indon (reply) — 09:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)