Talk:Unbreakable (film)

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Contents 1 Ending 2 Speculation 3 Quality 4 "Chokes out" instead of "kills" 5 Thor and Mr. Glass 6 Plot 7 Sequel speculation 8 Sequels rumor 9 Plot section needs cleaning up 10 Original research

[edit] Ending

It seems like the ending suggests that the movie is based on a true story. When the hero walks away from Mr. Glass at the end of the movies, two blocks of text are blended into the scene:

"David Dunn led authorities to Limited Edition where evidence of three acts of terrorism was found."

"Elijah Price is now in an institution for the criminally insane."

I googled for the story, but didn't find anything of substance. Due to the outragousness of the proposed crime and the popularity of the movie, it seems unlikely that nobody would have built a fanpage on the topic. Another possibility I thought of, is that the movie is based on a comic book, that has the same ending or even continues the story.. It be interesting to have something about this in the article.

It's based on the comic book and I think it leaves to the imagination that the nefarious criminal can somehow escape or can operate from the confines of the criminally insane institution. It seemed to be a nice way of saying, "to be continued".

As a side note, I noticed on the bus that it said something to the effect of "the people know something you don't know" and that there was a blue handicap logo on the front of the bus. Made me wonder, does the blue of Mr. Glass represent being handicapped.

--212.99.193.74 21:39, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I've never taken it as based on anything. The ending just explains what happened to the characters in readiness for the forthcoming sequels (which are sadly not happening). violet/riga (t) 22:33, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

This movie is not based on any real-life event. But it is done so well, that a lot of people believe it really happened. This is not the first time that has happened. Similar rumors existed after Fargo and Titanic. And it is not based on any pre-existing comic book. The story was entirely created by the Director, and the comics highlighted in the movie (Sentryman for example) were created for the movie. 207.119.210.223 16:21, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Titanic?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.101.76.122 (talk) 00:18, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

It's based on the comic book concepts and I think it leaves to the imagination that the nefarious criminal can somehow escape or can operate from the confines of the criminally insane institution. It seemed to be a nice way of saying, "to be continued".

As a side note, I noticed on the bus that it said something to the effect of "the people know something you don't know" and that there was a blue handicap logo on the front of the bus. Made me wonder, does the blue of Mr. Glass represent being handicapped. --Wikisermons 06:22, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Mr Glass is purple, not blue 198.6.46.11 15:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speculation

There is a lot of speculation in this article, such as the name of uncreated future movies, which I am unable to find any citations for. I am refactoring. If you provide a citation, they can be re-added. --DDG 20:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Other than fan-speculation that it sounds like a superhero name, is there really any basis for suggesting "midnight rider" would be an adopted moniker for David? Seems highly dubious to me. --VM 02:48 3rd September 2006 (gmt)

[edit] Quality

Hmm. This is not a great wuality writeup. Ive tried to fix some but it relaly needs work. It doesnt even mention David's son?

[edit] "Chokes out" instead of "kills"

Someone keeps changing the line that "David then kills the maniac" to "David chokes out the maniac". "Chokes out" sounds like he just renders him unconcious, but David definitely kills him. The newspaper he shows his son at the end of the film says "3 dead" (father, mother and home invader") and, if you have a zoom feature on your DVD player or a high-def screen, you can clearly read in the article that says, roughly, "upon freeing the children, the unknown samaritan struggled with the invader, killing him." In addition, the shooting script makes it clear that the invader is killed. I don't know the motivation for this constant change, but I'll assume it's not to try to hide that David is a killer, but that the person wants to make it clear that choking was the manner of death, so I've changed it to "David then chokes the maniac to death". - dharmabum 01:17, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Also 'Chokes Out' sounds like it was written by a retard. ~Anon

Retarded or not, "chokes out" is the common term for the technique (most famously found in Judo) of applying strong pressure to both sides of the neck, which cuts off the flow of blood to the brain, leading to weakness, disorientation, and unconsciousness. The technique is non-lethal (unless maintained for 5+ minutes?), and the symptoms usually disappear in a matter of seconds after the choke hold is released. Choke holds do not usually involve cutting off the air supply, since this carries a risk of doing serious damage (collapsed trachea.) I'm not disputing whether David killed the guy; I'm just clarifying that the term is valid and implies a non-lethal submission hold. --Lode Runner 16:22, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Accurate or not, it certainly sounds odd in the context of the article. It's suddenly using fairly specific terminology that most people wouldn't know, and if you *don't* know it (as I'd argue most people won't) it sounds ridiculous rather than an unfamiliar term. It's a bad use of language in the article. I'd also question if it's accurate - is that really what David does in the film? Tim 21:57, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's *that* obscure--it's a simple adaptation of the phrase "knocked out". And what's the alternative? "Applied a choke hold until the intruder was incapacitated"? That wording sounds much more ridiculous to me. If he actually was choked out (I'm NOT saying that he was or wasn't. I haven't seen the movie in a while, so I can't comment either way), then that's what the article should say, perhaps with a link to chokehold to clarify the meaning of the term. Of course, since I have no reason to doubt Dharmabum420's observations this is likely a moot point; nevertheless, I do take issue with people attacking the term itself. There's no other verb that describes the successful application of a non-lethal choke hold (verbs like "strangle" strongly imply a fatal outcome.) --Lode Runner 08:28, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

How the intruder was killed is irrelevant, the important thing to note is that he was killed 15:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thor and Mr. Glass

There is another connection between this movie and the classic Thor's dual nature.

Walt Simonson had a lengthy storyline in which Thor was cursed with a brittle bone condition very similar to that suffered by Mr. Glass. The curse also prevented Thor from healing or dying form his injuries. By the climax he was reduced to a fleshy blob within a suit of armor, then taking over the body of The Destroyer to get Hel to remove the curse. He then went on to give Loki, the instigator of the curse, a broken arm. This gave Loki a taste of his own medicine and conveyed that Thor, after a few millenia, was getting tired of Loki's crap and it could just as easily have been his skull.

[edit] Plot

"David goes on to save more lives with his powers, although we are not shown exactly who he becomes." I didn't follow through with his life, only that he got Elijah Price committed.--Wikisermons 06:28, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sequel speculation

Unless there will be some form of confirmation on the sequel titles, Unbeatable and Unstoppable, I think I'd be proper to delete them. It's terribly misleading, and I can find no evidence on the net that this, in any way, is true. If the poster who wrote this can't find a source to back it up, I will proceed to delete it if nothing shows up in 2 weeks. GofferOffer 20:28, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sequels rumor

According to: http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/unbreakable/77.html

No Unbreakable Trilogy In Shyamalan's Future Plans

M. Night Shyamalan has dismissed rumors that his current film, Unbreakable, is actually the first part of a trilogy. In an interview with the online edition of Britain's Empire magazine, Shyamalan remarked, "I'm definitely not the kind of guy who wants to do sequels or be known for just one type of movie. I want each movie to be very, very original, the most original movie you can think of." Reports of a possible trilogy were touched off by comments made by Unbreakable star Bruce Willis on Nov. 6, when he remarked during a chat on the Yahoo! Web site, "Unbreakable is the first part of a trilogy of films. I can't tell you about the others, but we're supposed to do two more. You'll understand how it lends itself to a continuing story." Shyamalan did not rule out a possible sequel, commenting that if he was to do another film with the same characters in Unbreakable, "then it would have to be a whole revisiting of the idea in a different way. But I have no plans for that right now. It's certainly not going to be the next movie."

--IMDB

[edit] Plot section needs cleaning up

There are a number of points brought up in the plot section that seem to be wrong or repeated in other paragraphs in the same section. I'm going to watch the film again and try to come back to this section; a full rewrite might be in order. Katalaveno 03:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

There's also the matter of how the tense of the writing keeps changing from present to past, making the plot summary sound amateurish. I'll endeavour to make my way through this and clean things up so the grammar is actually uniform. Eastmav 01:26, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Original research

Looking at the film and then drawing comparisons to comic book motifs is the definition of original research or original thought. "Original research refers to material that is not attributable to a reliable, published source". I have removed the entire section "Comic book references" because of this. If there is some article out there that makes this comparison it should be cited... but you just can't cite your own comparisons. "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." Wikipedia:Attribution. 69.72.2.72 12:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I quit. 71.203.244.64 01:38, 8 April 2007 (UTC)