Talk:Un gars, une fille

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Canada Portal
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Canada and related WikiProjects, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to articles on Canada-related topics. If you would like to participate, visit the project member page, to join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
B This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale.
Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the importance scale.
Canadian TV shows
This article is part of the Canadian TV shows WikiProject (Discuss/Join).
TV
Television Portal
This article is part of WikiProject Television, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to television programs and related subjects on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.
B This article has been rated as B-Class on the quality scale.
Mid This article has been rated as mid-Importance on the importance scale.
Assessment comments
Un gars, une fille was a good article nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these are addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Reviewed version: September 23, 2006

[edit] GA Failing

This articleis quite a way from GA, while there are 14 refernces there are many more other things that still need references, the layout is pretty sloppy too, there is still more work to be done here

02:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] On the show being a "Quebec" show

I have made various minor edits to the article which reinforces the show being from Canada rather than Quebec specifically. While there is, I think, definitely good reason to mention that the show is produced in Quebec in particular (as French-language television and film production in the province is largely distinct from what limited French-language production exists in other provinces), I think that it is more confusing than anything to call the show a "Quebec" show. My reasoning for this is as follows:

  • To my knowledge such sub-national distinctions with regard to the origin of film and television productions do not exist on Wikipedia---with the exception of Hong Kong, which is a completely different case, I think.
  • It is likely to be confusing to readers unfamiliar with the internal provincial divisions of Canada
  • It is likely to be vaguely insulting to people like me who are not Quebec nationalists :)
  • It exacerbates the already-worrisome inconsistency with the use of both "French Canadian" and "Quebecois" on Wikipedia. Since the use of "Quebecois" in English is fairly recent and still of somewhat dubious worth, I have used "French Canadian" since it is a term with sufficiently ancient roots, and is something all interested readers, no matter how cognizant or incognizant they are of political issues internal to Canada, should be aware of or otherwise be able to figure out.

As the article stands after my edit, there is no definite indication in the body of the article that the show is produced in Quebec itself. I may try and come up with a sentence or two that makes this more evident, but I think that clearing up the existing confusing wording was more important. JKing 21:03, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not particularly fond of this edit. Yeah, the country of origin should be Canada, but Quebec, like Hong Kong, has its own TV and film production industry that differs completely from the rest of Canada. Movies and TV shows are produced, distributed and shown essentially in Quebec only (unless the network happens to be Radio-Canada for TV shows, then they can be seen nation-wide, and, in the case of movies, for some particularly succesful ones with international appeal, usually by way of France and the Cannes film festival). There is no "French Canadian" production to speak of outside of Quebec. I don't see how calling it a Quebec show makes it insulting to others, no matter what their political opinions may be.--Boffob 02:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I should note that "corner gas" is mentioned as taking place in saskatchewan, "trailer park boy" in Nova scotia so why would it become confusing to mention where it take place when it come to quebec ?
I also don't get what could possibily be insulting about mentioning it.
Finaly, if your argument for using "french canadian" is that its less confusing then Quebecois to outsiders, I like to mention that here in australia (where I live), saying that I'm french-canadian attracts comments like "so your parents are from France ?"
I think the changes should be reverted
--Marc pasquin 16:11, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
Any rational reflection on this will conclude that the article "post-JKing-edits" is more biased, and even (to use JKings' phrasing) more 'insulting', than before. Let us examine the case.
"To my knowledge such sub-national distinctions with regard to the origin of film and television productions do not exist on Wikipedia---with the exception of Hong Kong, which is a completely different case, I think."
How is Hong Kong different exactly? What if it were Puerto Rican? Or Scottish? "Quebec" is not a sub-national distinction. Quebec is sociologically a "national society", with a "national culture", according to an overwhelming majority of its citizens (who hapen to have a say on the subject!), the Parliament of Quebec, the Parliament of Canada and numerous intellectuals around the world. A national culture is relevant and central to the way one should understand the society which contributed to the creation of a cultural creation and its impact on a part of humanity. And such distinctions are used, for people for example (see here).
"It is likely to be confusing to readers unfamiliar with the internal provincial divisions of Canada"
Even if this were true, LET'S EDUCATE THEM THEN!!! That's the beauty of Wikipedia! You go around the filter and get a truer view of the situation.
It is likely to be vaguely insulting to people like me who are not Quebec nationalists :)
Hum, and I wonder how placating "Canada" around as if Wikipedia were AdScam isn't insulting to people who are not... Canadian unitarists, unionists. In this case, what ralies most if not everyone? The words "Quebec" and "Quebecer", because most federalists are Quebecers in identity but few sovereigntists are Canadian, identity-wise. The simple fact is that I've practically never heard of a Quebecois signer or TV show being refered to as "ce chanteur canadien", "cette émission canadienne" (I'm sorry, quite neutrally, it just sounds fabricated). Show me the person who speaks like that and you know like me that we can tell what their politics are. But I can picture 98% of Quebec federalists speaking of "Quebec signers" and so on.
"It exacerbates the already-worrisome inconsistency with the use of both "French Canadian" and "Quebecois" on Wikipedia."
All right. If one has to go, it's "French Canadian": it has been abandoned by the overwhelming majority of Quebecers for dozens of reasons 40 years ago (Wikipedia MUST reflect the real and present state of facts!) and IS insulting to many Quebecers! Because of current use and the will of the populations in question, we use on Wikipedia (and elsewhere) "Inuit" instead of "Eskimo", "Black" or "African American" instead of "Negro", and I doubt "midget" would stand the test of editing for much long on any article. Why should Quebecers be the only people for which it isn't outrageous to be shoved a name describing their own selves, of all things, in their own mouth? --Liberlogos 16:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)