Talk:Umbrella (song)

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[edit] List of countries where this song reached Number 1

Somebody needs to tidy that up - the Netherlands, Denmark and New Zealand are all in there twice.

[edit] Conflicting Information - Authors

The info box states the song is written by "Jay-Z, Terius Nash, Christopher Stewart" but the article states it was written by "Terius "The Dream" Nash and rapper Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter". Was Christopher Stewart an author or not? PMBO 09:28, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

All Music Guide states that the authors of the song are Stewart, Nash, Jay-Z and also someone named Harrell. I suppose he is the author of the song that is sampled. This should be added to the article. Maja123456 15:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

I've rated this article as Start class - it has a good infobox, chart positions, subheadings, references, and is well-categorised. More information about the music video, critical reception etc. will be necessary, and this can be added as it becomes available.--Phil500 (Talk / Contribs) 09:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] iTunes

When will this song be available on iTunes for download? DJ Biloedau 02:53, 10 May 2007 (UTC)




[edit] Nakedness/Body suit

How are you sure Rihanna is not naked and wearing a body suit? Please cite reliable sources that confirmes that.

why she covering herself so good then? me + ma sis luv us sum Pretty Ricky!(wat waz dat?) 00:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

So you think she is naked? PMBO 16:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Daft Punk

A source is needed indicating that Daft Punk did a remix to this song. A Google search turns up nothing except this page. If no source is added by Sunday, I'll remove it from the article. Douglasr007 18:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

The only information I've heard about a remix of this song is one by Travis Barker. You can find it on YouTube[1]. Try searching for a Travis Barker remix on Google, you might come up with some results. Dead-In-Horrorwood 00:26, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Eh... New Wave?

New Wave?! Wtf? It's even more triphop.

no its been confirmed to be new wave..=] me + ma sis luv us sum Pretty Ricky!(wat waz dat?) 00:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Trip-hop is completely different, if that songs cheese, trip-hops of chalk - you get me?...New wave means nothing in music, other than lack of imagination...--Madkaffir 22:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian number-one

Hm, there seems to be a minor conflict. The Canadian Hot 100 is a new chart, which debuted this week; however, technically last week the Canadian Singles Chart still served as the chart comprising of the most popular records in Canada. Although the most popular records now appear on the Canadian Hot 100, last week's number-one single ("Survivalism" by Nine Inch Nails) and this week's ("Umbrella" by Rihanna) were still, at one point, the most popular record in Canada. I believe the succession boxes should remain linked to the former chart, regardless whether it is under a new name because of this. Velten 20:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not just a new name, but a new chart. I have no problem with linking "Survivalism" and "Umbrella" together in a succession box - but I would advise that the wikilink in the box not point to the Canadian Hot 100 article - simply to remain accurate and avoid confusion. How have past Canadian #1s been represented? Canadian Airplay chart? If so, then use that for now, and then perhaps begin using Canadian Hot 100 for the next #1 song? I guess it should be decided if this new Canadian Hot 100 will be considered the "official" chart of Canada in all future song articles. - eo 20:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Former Canadian number-one singles were published on the Canadian Singles Chart. This chart fundamentally crashed in mid-2004, after which it steadily became less and less comprehensive. Billboard had been in the works of creating a new Canadian chart for a year now, and during this time the Canadian BDS Airplay Chart was temporarily used as a substitute as the Canadian Singles Chart to determine which records were most popular in Canada. Velten 20:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Also, Billboard has referred to the Canadian Hot 100 as Canada's new official singles chart. Velten 20:58, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
So does that mean that the recording industry is also considering it Canada's official chart? Honestly, I don't see why they wouldn't, but ya never know. So do we carry this over to Wikipedia? Anyhoo, I say for this article, link "Survivalism" and "Umbrella" but point to the Canadian singles chart... or, have two succession boxes for Canada for this one song, then use Hot 100 only for future songs. - eo 21:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Either is fine with me. Velten 22:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The name "Canada's official chart" should be changed to "Canadian Hot 100" for this article. The reason why is because this is still the official Canadian singles chart http://jam.canoe.ca/Music/Charts/SINGLES.html, and despite the fact Billboard referred to the Canadian Hot 100 as Canada's new official singles chart, this can lead to serious confusion... and no wonder, the title for the succession link is incorrect Agdonald 19:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I think what you've done is more confusing. "Survivalism" did not hit #1 on the Canadian Hot 100 because "Umbrella" is the first #1 song on that chart. As stated above, the two songs can be joined together in the succession, but the wikilink should not attribute it to Canadian Hot 100. Both songs reached #1 on the Canadian Singles Chart, so why not just use that... at least until the Canadian Hot 100 has its next #1 song? - eo 19:59, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
That is another good point. Feel free to correct the article so that it is not falsely stated that "Survivalism" preceded "Umbrella" as number-one on the Canadian Hot 100 chart. Conversely, you could keep the official Canadian Singles Chart number-one order; however, as shown in this link at this time, "Survivalism" is still #1. "Both songs reached #1 on the Canadian Singles Chart" This statement is incorrect. "Umbrella" has not reached #1 on the Canadian Singles Chart. Please read the Canadian Singles Chart article. Realize that this is the Canadian Singles Chart. Agdonald 4:42, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On Chris Brown's upcoming album, Exclusive, Brown wrote an answer-song titled "Cinderella" with the same beat but different lyrics.

On Chris Brown's upcoming album, Exclusive, Brown wrote an answer-song titled "Cinderella" with the same beat but different lyrics? YES THE SONG EXISTS; I'VE HEARD IT BEFORE BUT IT AIN'T AS GOOD AS THE ORIGINAL BY RIHANNA, BUT, IF THIS IS SO, WHY ISN'T THE SONG METIONED ANYWHERE ON THE PAGE FOR HIS ALBUM "EXCLUSIVE"?--Mikéylicious & Really, Really Hot!!! 00:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small Markets

Why arn't small markets put on the chartlist? Electric Storm89 09:32, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] En Pointe

Article previous stated she can be seen walking en pointe. Just watched the video and all these shots only show the lower part of her body (apart from one, where she is holding on to some sort of gym apparatus) so this could be a body double for all we know. Have added "apparently" into the sentence for the time being. 3tmx 15:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


  • No, Rihanna said this on 106 & PArk a while back: "A lot of people don't know this, but that was me wearing those en pointe shoes."
wearing is not walking en pointe ;) Its really strange how all the cuts are made so u only see the upper or lower part of body. Maybe its her but she could only do it with the bar. I suggest not mentioning it at all cos a) we simply cant know if its her b)its not important anyway --Echosmoke 23:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Normal 137.jpg

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[edit] Name of Rihanna's mother...

...is Umbrella and that's why she made this song? Someone in es added that thing. Is that true?

[edit] Originally offered to Mary J Blige

The source for this "fact" is not really notable, since it is just a message board (http://www.bigmusicboard.com/rihanna/679-blige-almost-twirled-umbrella.html)

I saw an interview where Mary said she went into the bidding for the song too late and it went to Rihanna. Harry** (talk) 00:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

"Umbrella" was inteded for Spears, went to Blige, and finally to Rih Rih. Just finished adding the section about this matter. Take a look. --Efe (talk) 06:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Previous Hot 100

The previous Hot 100 song is not Makes me Wonder, but rather Buy U a Drank can someone please fix that. 71.226.244.210 00:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rihanna hasn't broken the UK single records ... yet

Just to point out to the UK editors that this song is far from the UK singles record. From the Official UK Charts Company, this record is 18 weeks (with Frankie Laine's "I Believe"). The Wet Wet Wet song lasted 15 weeks. [2] 85.232.216.110 20:56, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

correct but we have established that it is the most successful single for over a decage.

[edit] Cover Versions

What's the point of putting them on there?

I don't think you should have just removed the section of the page just because you think there is no reason for it to be there. It's information pertaining to the song. I call for it being put back. ... Especially after I spend the time to clean that section up. >_> --Goten X 18:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Background & Writing / Music Video

The new additions to these sections, for the most part, are incomprehensible. Quite a few points are made more than once also. I attempted to clean up the sections, to keep the articles quality up but it seems the author of them has added them once again. Sorry, but if you are going to edit an English page, use clear, understandable English. Until these sections are edited to the extent that they are actually understandable and do not shift between various tenses and periods of time, it seems best to remove extracts of them that would confuse any readers. (Nowradiate (talk) 14:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC))

Hello. The addition of these things would be clear to the readers what was its history. It might me vague for now but most likely, after editing, it will emerge as clear as the water. The video then must not be removed (for me). Its the history. A little tightening is needed --Efe (talk) 01:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
What part is "incomprehensive" by the way? --Efe (talk) 01:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I felt both entire sections to be lacking, not quality wise, obviously the History and the Music Video are important to the article, so instead of deleting them, I tightened them up a bit as you said to make them clearer and comprehensible. There shouldn't be any problems with it now. (90.240.124.7 (talk) 22:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC))

[edit] Reggae remixes

I added "Reggae remixes featuring Vybz Kartel & Collie Buddz" referring to 2 separate remixes.--Nyj1218 (talk) 16:38, 21 April 2008 (UTC)