Talk:Ultimate X-Men (story arcs)

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[edit] Bullet Points

I'm not sure I understand why the later story arcs have been turned into bullet points. It could be to make it tidier or something completely different. Really what I don’t get is why it's only the later story arcs. Shouldn't it be unified, if some are blocks of texts and others aren't shouldn't they all be or some are bullet points and others aren't shouldn't they all be? ≈ Seraph 31 10:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


annual 2 mistake "Starts by showing how Nightcrawler escaped from Weapon X (brutally killing many of Weapon X staff). " who wrote this mistake, its actualy one of kurt's missions as unwilling super opertive for the weapon x program to take out an unwanted middle east politician (presumably)

[edit] This page is ugly, let's fix it

This page needs to be fixed up. We should make it look like Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs). I would do it, but I haven't read these comics. - Peregrinefisher 01:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read the comics either, unfortunately, but I am willing interested in learning more and am willing to help get the text moving into a more out-of-universe style. Based on WP:WAF#Out-of-universe_perspective there's lots of angles to take. Just got to find the info and source it. fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:49, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
To remove plot endings or too much spoilers, I rewrote some of the first plot outline. Still working to find more outside research or sources to fill the notes area. fmmarianicolon | Talk 02:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Found a resource to help with the release dates of the individual issues: http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showfaq.asp?fldAuto=16 fmmarianicolon | Talk 01:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove a bunch of text

Because people keep trying to delete this article I'm thinking about replacing each summary with a blank

Published between: 
Artists: 
Plot outline:
First appearances: 
Deaths:
Notes:

I'm hoping that would encourage people to fill out the sections instead of adding to giant summaries. What do you think? - Peregrine Fisher 09:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Woohoo! The page is not as ugly now! I have two thoughts about the template:
1. Should "Artists" be changed to "Creative Team" or something similar?
2. Should we remove the First Appearances and Deaths section? I think the important first appearances and deaths should go in the Plot Outline section.
Also, what should we set as our next goal for the page?- fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:01, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
"Creators" sounds much better, Peregrine Fisher, thanks! - fmmarianicolon | Talk 06:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
1. No problem. 2. We should at least remove all "First appearances" and "Deaths" that don't have any data. The only thing I'd be worried about with them in the plot is that the page won't be as good a quick reference. Maybe we should add which issue they first appear in.
Next goal: I think we should work on the references. Make sure all the current refs meet wikipedia requirments (for instance Cable). Try and get refs for every section. If we decide which sites and types of pages are OK, we can clean those sites out of all their info. Also, a few images.
I've also been trying to clean up Ultimate Fantastic Four (story arcs) and Ultimate Spider-Man (story arcs). I don't want any more AfDs. - Peregrine Fisher 06:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article

Could we make this a Good Article? The criteria is that this article should be (feel free to edit):

1 well written
2 stable
3 accurate
4 referenced
5 use a neutral point of view
6 wherever possible, be illustrated by appropriately tagged images.

I think 1. close, 2. not yet, 3. yeah, 4. how many refs do we need?, 5. yeah 6. how many images do we need? It seems like a minor rewrite of the plots and lead, 20 more references and 5 more images and we're there. Please comment. - Peregrine Fisher

What is a good article? describes in more detail how to achieve a Good Article. Based on the above six points from Good Article, I think that
  • The writing is close, but not yet where it needs to be from an out-of-universe point of view. I think we should also include a brief intro paragraph for each writer's run including perhaps how or why they got the position, as well as how they affected their run as a whole and Ultimate X-Men as a whole. For example, Millar did not know much about the X-Men, and Kirkman got the position in part because Bryan Singer had to delay writing his upcoming arc.
  • Now that the second AfD has passed, the article is stable. It's not the favorite subject of edit wars or vandalism.
  • We're doing great on succinct accuracy now that we've slimmed down the plot outlines. We just need to make sure as we keep to an out-of-universe view (OOUV) when adding facts.
  • A featured article can have many references or it can have as little as five, as long as any fact that might be oonsidered controversial is referenced. Because we're writing an article on fiction, we will need more references to point to outside critism, sales facts, etc. I think 20 is a good number to shoot for.
  • For our article, NPOV isn't hard, it's just OOUV, and the OOUV is getting better.
  • For images, perhaps one per arc? We shouldn't use a lot of images because we'll have to find fair-use rational. To be honest, I haven't done any work with images except moving already existing images around to more appropriate places in articles. The first image I would think to include is a cover from either annual #1 or from the Magician arc (as it featured an Ultimate-only arc). The images wouldn't necessarily have to be a cover though, if we include commentary on the artist's work in one of the arcs and then provide and image for that.
Other things we may want to think about are merging the "history of" section from the main article into this article as both that section and this article are starting to overlap in content, or perhaps just using some of that section's information in this article. Also, I've heard of a peer review (can't find the page and gotta jet in a minute), should we go through that first prior to good article review? One last though, either prior or when we do go through our review, should we invite other people who were in the AfD for their comments on improvements we've made to the article and how we can improve more? - fmmarianicolon | Talk 16:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
There were about 25 references today before I added some more with today's edit. So for the goal of 20 more references, we're looking for 45 references. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 21:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll try and add 5-10 refs tomorrow. I really like the writer lead ins, by the way. I used an image of issue #2 because it shows the whole team, the first issue just has wolverine on it, I believe. Do you think we should we still do the first issues image? - Peregrine Fisher 22:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
D'oh! Thought I had answered the question. No, let's keep the second issue's image since it features the team. In other good news: We're at 35 references, only ten more to our goal of 45 references. I noticed the following arcs have no references: Hellfire and Brimstone, Ultimate War, Return of the King, A Hard Lesson, and Shock and Awe. Let's keep pushing for the goalmark! - fmmarianicolon | Talk 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've been out of town, but I'm going to work on this page over the next few day. We're getting close. - Peregrine Fisher 19:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

(resetting indent) I've got the refs up to 40, and each arc has 1+ refs. I've added an image or two to each writers section. I think that's as many as will fit without messing up the formatting for people who use high resolutions on their monitors. A bit more work and we should be able to submit it for GA status. One thing, there are some statements that I'm sure are true but maybe shouldn't be said without a reference like "the title alludes to the Lord of the Rings book Return of the King." Should we remove these, or are they so obvious they can stand alone? - Peregrine Fisher 20:39, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The #40 cover (Angel) was a good choice. I'm going to try finding a review or critique that covered the how Bendis delved into how religius views affected Angel's debut. Is it OK if we switch the #64 cover (Ultimates s/ Polaris) for the #65 cover? #65 would show the change in roster since the first arc. As for shaky references like Return of the King, yes we should take them out. - fmmarianicolon | Talk 01:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed move

I'd like to propose moving this article to List of Ultimate X-Men story arcs. I feel that being properly framed as a list will make it more clear that this page is a list of story arcs with plot summaries for context (allowed) and not just one giant plot summary (not allowed). It will also bring it in line with similar television pages, like List of Lost episodes.

I'm proposing similar moves on the other (story arc) pages. -Chunky Rice 21:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. - Peregrine Fisher 03:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:59, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] update ; URGENT

This page needs to be updated,hasnt anyone read the 92nd issue of ultimate x men ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.164.20.79 (talk) 02:46, 28 March 2008 (UTC)