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[edit] 19 Mar 2008

Regarding the Ultimate C64 Arthur Pendragon adventures. These were created by a freelance team, Dave and Bob Thomas. Dave Thomas programmed the games and Bob did all the artwork. Dave now works for Hands On Mobile Inc. and Bob is a freelance web designer.

The vorlon (talk) 17:26, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 5 Mar 2005

Should this not be merged with Rare? I notice that Ashby Computer Graphics redirects there. --Mmartins 16:52, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'm going to merge it into the larger article. The games list is already duplicated there anyway --Mmartins 09:41, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Hmmm. Not sure that was a good idea. I think it would have been better to trim the list of games on the Rare page to those released by Rare (i.e. strip out the Ultimate ones), but add a link to the Ultimate page (and make Ultimate's evolution to Rare more obvious on the Ultimate page). They are separate trading names for good reason, so it made sense to keep them separate here too (although I entirely agree about the duplicate lists, etc.). I know you've already put some time into this, but would you object if I reverted to what there was before, but made the changes I've outlined above to the Rare and Ultimate pages? --Plumbago 09:24, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Resurrected the page

Due to this page getting "merged" into Rare a while back, but the Rare article hardly even mentioning Ultimate now, I thought I'd bring this page back from the dead and make it a bit better. Still needs improving though... Miremare 18:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] C64 titles

I can't find an external source at the moment, but as I recall most of Ultimate's C64 titles were written by Firebird. With the exception of Imhotep (possibly one of the worst games ever!) all of the others share a common graphical style (although Outlaws otherwise shares very little with the rest). I'm sure a Google-trawl will find some appropriate confirmation. Cheers, --Plumbago 12:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

The Commodore conversions of Sabre Wulf, Underwurlde, and Nightshade were done by Firebird (with a big Firebird logo on the front of the box), and even credit the individuals responsible, but I'm pretty sure the Commodore originals didn't credit any external organisation or persons at all. However, my copy of Karnath is stashed away in the garage or attic somewhere so I can't really check... Miremare 16:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I think you're right. That definitely rings a bell, and would suggest in-house development instead. One of my mates had Karnath, etc., but I don't remember it (or any other Ultimate title for that matter; bar the exceptions above) saying who'd written it. Neither on the package nor in-game (although Imhotep might just have ...). An impasse. Is there any reason to suppose that Ultimate didn't have an in-house team working on C64 games? Karnath, etc., are certainly different stylistically from the Spectrum-based titles, but they share a focus on 3D environments and arcade adventures with the contemporary Filmation titles. Cheers, --Plumbago 16:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I always assumed they were internally developed, but I don't know. I thought the same of Imhotep until I found the interview with the author on ultimate-wurlde.com. I'll add something about the authorship of all the games... Miremare 18:25, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Ultimate Play the Game logo.jpg

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Done. Blimey, in looking for other companies with fair-use rationale for their logos I've come to the conclusion that Microsoft, Apple, and now Ultimate Play The Game are practically the only ones. So thank you very much, Mr. Bot, for pointing that out. Now go pick on someone less important like General Motors or Sony. :P Miremare 17:10, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Praise

This article has come a long way in a short time since its resurrection - informative, well-researched and well-cited. Congrats. :)

--Zagrebo 12:46, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sabre wulf box.jpg

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[edit] First at £9.95?

User:Parhodes: Retro Gamer issue 20 (p.29) says: "Sabre Wulf was the first Spectrum game to abandon the traditional £5.50 price point, leaping to a then unimaginable £9.95". Do you have a source for the others being first? For the record I think you're right, but "verifiability, not truth", and all that... Miremare 18:28, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The Hobbit was 14.95. So was Valhalla. Even for arcade style games, although many publishers stuck around 5.50, prices up to 6.95 were by no means uncommon (Penetrator, Ant Attack...) Paul Rhodes (talk) 08:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

PS: Infoseek at World Of Spectrum (http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek.cgi) gives original prices in most of its listings, which appear mostly accurate (at least as reliable, I'd suggest, as an off-the-cuff comment in a magazine written twenty years later). For contemporaneous evidence, the Crash Living Guide (a poorly-camouflaged mail order catalogue, with prices) from Crash #1, Feb 1984, starts here : http://www.worldofspectrum.org/showmag.cgi?mag=Crash/Issue01/Pages/Crash0100045.jpg Paul Rhodes (talk) 09:36, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of starting a Ronnie Hazlehurst war, I've reverted the text to remove the incorrect assertion. It is easily disproved (as I mention above, Hobbit and Valhalla were both 14.95, and if you want to be really pedantic about the exact price 9.95, there was Red Shift's Apocalypse for one). Paul Rhodes (talk) 02:04, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Ooops, I forgot about this. Anyway, it's the lack of a reference that's the problem, rather than the assertion itself, which as I said above I agree with. It seems to be a common misconception/misremembrance which should be mentioned, and I think the price hike was something the Stampers were questioned on in both of their interviews, as well as reliable sources claiming they were first to £9.95. It's probably more a case of them being the first high-profile software house to go £9.95 as standard, rather than the odd £15 release due to there being a full-size novel included like with The Hobbit and LOTR. Anyway, I'll have a look for some relevant sources and reword the part in question. Cheers, Miremare 14:39, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
I think they may well have been first to £9.95 for an arcade-style game. I remember being surprised when it came out (not least as it was such a traditional and simplistic game - if Knight Lore had been the first at the new price, I doubt I'd have batted an eyelid!). The point is that there was already a class of 'prestige' game which came in big boxes and commanded higher prices - it's just they tended not to be scrolling sprite games. But this isn't an article about the history of Spectrum game prices, it's an article about Ultimate. So far as I can see, the Verifiability policy is about verifiability of text included in the article, not about providing citations in support of removal! To demand a citation in support of *not* making a demonstrably false statement doesn't make sense to me - unless it were a genuine matter of controversy that was of interest and relevant in itself, which I don't think this is.Paul Rhodes (talk) 13:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't mean a reference to support any removal, but to support the new wording. The previous wording "the first Spectrum game released at a recommended retail price of £9.95" was referenced to Retro Gamer, so another source is needed to support the new wording. I'd suggest something like:
"Ultimate is sometimes erroneously believed to have been the first Spectrum publisher to price their games at a recommended retail price of GB£9.95 with the release of Sabre Wulf in 1984,[1] though other titles such as Melbourne House's The Hobbit and Legend's Valhalla had already approached the £15 mark by 1983.[2]"
The RG ref will do for the first one, and your Crash Living Guide one will probably do for the second, but the link's broken so I don't know. :P Miremare 18:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
My point was that I don't think you need to cite a reference to support the wording that's there now, and I really don't think it needs to say any more on the matter than it does already. Discussion of what people may or may not believe is tangential to the subject matter and if anywhere I'd say it belongs here, in the Talk page. Still, YMMV. That aside, the Crash scans are at ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/magazines/; a later edition of the Living Guide, split over issues 3 and 4, can be found transcribed here: http://www.crashonline.org.uk/03/lguide.htm and here: http://www.crashonline.org.uk/04/lguide.htm Paul Rhodes (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2008 (UTC)