Talk:Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar

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Contents 1 Game cracking trivia 2 SMS version 3 The big unanswered question... 4 Freegamesdownload link removed 5 Rational discussion about external link inclusions

[edit] Game cracking trivia

Stop re-adding the "trivia" of who cracked the game. If you want a topic of who cracked what games and what was their last work, then create new article going by the name of the cracker and possibly a link page of all crackers for particular computer etc.

• Why? This is a valid piece of trivia, and it is relevant specifically to this game when it was released as it made news throughout the Apple gaming community. "Hot Rod" was one of the most prolific crackers in the Apple community and this was also the first high-profile "retirement" of a game cracker, which consisted of an open letter to gamers explaining what he was doing. I'm adding it back. Why do you object to this entry since you can't even be bothered to identify who you are in deleting it. bcRIPster 01:40, 26 December 2005 (MST)

[edit] SMS version

Is it worth mentioning the Sega Master System version of the game? Or is the NES version only mentioned because of its slight change in style? The SMS version is similar, aside from new graphics and conversation selected from a menu. --wht.rbt 14:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Might be worth mentioning in the NES section then. --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 15:34, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The big unanswered question...

...would be this: Exactly what conditions led to the thing that Ultima IV is now distributed everywhere? I believe it had something to do with Richard Garriott personally allowing Ultima Dragons to distribute the game under some conditions. I recently found some article but I think I lost it. Anyone? --wwwwolf (barks/growls) 12:06, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

• Well, Home of the Underdogs [1] refers to Origin releasing it as freeware as part of a marketing campaign for Ultima IX. Auric's Ultima Moongates [2] has, under the 'Ultima History' for Ultima IV, references to this release, but notes it is not freeware. (I'm wondering if Auric is or was confused between freeware and public domain.) There's also a trivia comment in MobyGames' site for U4[3], but all these instances I've found probably don't count as W:RS. Anything sounding remotely authorative refer to the Ultima Dragons fan club being given specific permission for free redestribution of U4 in 1997. U9 came out in 1999, so the Dragons' citations of authority end up being outdated...

This'd be so much easier if Origin still existed! :) --Empath 22:28, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Freegamesdownload link removed

I removed the download link. It directs to a site where you could download the game, however, only If you pay. The site is infamous for stealing reviews and links from other game sites.

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.249.219.50 (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Rational discussion about external link inclusions

Ok, so trying to take a more calm approach to this issue. I assert that there is value in having links to these maps, irregardless to where they are hosted. What would others here suggest to do in this situation. I know that people have been downloading these maps over the last two years since I can see the logs on the server they are hosted on... confirming to me that 20 years later people are still interested in them. There is no other host at this point, and probably only one other potential site in my mind that would be an appropriate place to host them (textfiles.com). I get no personal gain out of providing files these short the personal satisfaction of helping keep them available for people who want them.BcRIPster (talk) 01:19, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how a link to the maps adds any value to the article... At least the game link was to the actual game harlock_jds (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2007 (UTC)