Talk:Ulster Bank
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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:UlsterBank20.jpg
Image:UlsterBank20.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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— Save_Us † 00:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
- A fair use rational has now been added. Hope this is acceptable to save this image from deletion! Cnbrb (talk) 18:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:GBfiver.jpg
Image:GBfiver.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
A fair use rational has now been added. Hope this is acceptable to save this image from deletion! Cnbrb (talk) 18:48, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
- Someone deleted it from the article yesterday. The reason given was "nfc #8". #8 says Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.. I think the rationale at Image:GBfiver.jpg speaks to that. An image of the bank note, in comparison to the one left in the article, helps the reader to understand what the bank's commemorative notes look like. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 19:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree 100%. I'm getting a bit tired of these delete police going around removing useful stuff without consultation. It was perfectly justifiable.Cnbrb (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
- This article is about the Ulster bank, not about the bank's commemorative notes, and you don't need to know what these look like to understand how the bank operates. This note has only ever been in general circulation in name only. The omission would not be detrimental to readers understanding of the topic Ulster bank. Fasach Nua (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am not sure that that such a dry interpretation of 'how the bank operates' is in the spirit of NFC #8. Nobody claimed it was in general circulation. Instead, this part of the article speaks to a way of doing business that is very unusual in the commercial banking world: issuing commemorative lawful money. Probably no more than 7 banks do this (if that), so the image would help the understanding of a reader interested in this aspect of Ulster Bank, by illustrating the colours, layout, security measures and artistic style. Is there any suitable IFD precedent? (Other than movie posters and album covers that seem to survive IfD routinely?) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- The note is an anomoly, and given the century old history of the bank the issue is not a significant event. The issue is unusual, but then do you need to show a picture of a particular note to understand the concept of a commerative note? If you want to discuss layout, security measures and artistic style you can do this with reference to Image:UlsterBank20.jpg (WP:NFC#3), which is similar in style. I don't know about any IFD debates, one way or the other Fasach Nua (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- At risk of causing a riot, I think you're offbase again with an excessively narrow interpretation of NFC #8. There is a clear difference between the standard bill and the commemorative and as an average user with no previous exposure to the bank's notes or practises I find it extremely helpful to my understanding of what the bank does. We don't have private bank notes here in Canada, so it exposes me to something interesting and unique. I think you're being grossly unfair to other contributors here with your drive-by deletions of images which are often motivated solely by your oft-stated POV approach. There is a legitimate place here for properly used non-free content. And you still don't appear to have a handle on the concept of courtesy towards other users that involves discussion and the use of established processes for deleting images. Your talk page is little more than a sad litany of complaints about your tactics. There is a clear acceptance of the use of numismatic images (supported by policy, guidelines and consensus - again) and the editors of this article have established a clear context for the inclusion of the commemorative note's image. To the editors of this article, stand up for yourselves. You've got a legitimate case to argue. It's not appropriate to let hard-core anti-fair use content editors tear up the place without genuine cause. If it's done to you here, it will be done to you elsewhere. This kind of stuff just sucks the joy out of the place. Wiggy! (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- "Drive-by deletions" - I second that! :-)) You might as well just take images out of WP altogether. The whole point of these fair use guidelines is to make use of images possible in a controlled way, not to provide a mandate to erase all visual illustration and expect readers just to imagine stuff. Where there is doubt, there are talk pages.Cnbrb (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
- At risk of causing a riot, I think you're offbase again with an excessively narrow interpretation of NFC #8. There is a clear difference between the standard bill and the commemorative and as an average user with no previous exposure to the bank's notes or practises I find it extremely helpful to my understanding of what the bank does. We don't have private bank notes here in Canada, so it exposes me to something interesting and unique. I think you're being grossly unfair to other contributors here with your drive-by deletions of images which are often motivated solely by your oft-stated POV approach. There is a legitimate place here for properly used non-free content. And you still don't appear to have a handle on the concept of courtesy towards other users that involves discussion and the use of established processes for deleting images. Your talk page is little more than a sad litany of complaints about your tactics. There is a clear acceptance of the use of numismatic images (supported by policy, guidelines and consensus - again) and the editors of this article have established a clear context for the inclusion of the commemorative note's image. To the editors of this article, stand up for yourselves. You've got a legitimate case to argue. It's not appropriate to let hard-core anti-fair use content editors tear up the place without genuine cause. If it's done to you here, it will be done to you elsewhere. This kind of stuff just sucks the joy out of the place. Wiggy! (talk) 11:39, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- The note is an anomoly, and given the century old history of the bank the issue is not a significant event. The issue is unusual, but then do you need to show a picture of a particular note to understand the concept of a commerative note? If you want to discuss layout, security measures and artistic style you can do this with reference to Image:UlsterBank20.jpg (WP:NFC#3), which is similar in style. I don't know about any IFD debates, one way or the other Fasach Nua (talk) 09:21, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I am not sure that that such a dry interpretation of 'how the bank operates' is in the spirit of NFC #8. Nobody claimed it was in general circulation. Instead, this part of the article speaks to a way of doing business that is very unusual in the commercial banking world: issuing commemorative lawful money. Probably no more than 7 banks do this (if that), so the image would help the understanding of a reader interested in this aspect of Ulster Bank, by illustrating the colours, layout, security measures and artistic style. Is there any suitable IFD precedent? (Other than movie posters and album covers that seem to survive IfD routinely?) --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 08:31, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- This article is about the Ulster bank, not about the bank's commemorative notes, and you don't need to know what these look like to understand how the bank operates. This note has only ever been in general circulation in name only. The omission would not be detrimental to readers understanding of the topic Ulster bank. Fasach Nua (talk) 07:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree 100%. I'm getting a bit tired of these delete police going around removing useful stuff without consultation. It was perfectly justifiable.Cnbrb (talk) 01:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
I have done drive-by deletions myself, as I contribute to Wikipedia to create a free knowledge resource and don't wish to see that undermined. These bank note images are not free, but there is no possible free alternative image. I did not say that an image was necessary to understand this event (the note issue), but I do strongly contend that it significantly increases the readers understanding, which is the threshold required by NFC #8. With Fasach Nua reverting multiple editors without further explanation, and no IFD debates to cite, I am restoring the image while discussion continues. --Hroðulf (or Hrothulf) (Talk) 18:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I have updated the Fair use rationale using Template:Non-free image data and Template:Non-free image rationale. I hope this will support the legal use of this image on WP. If anyone would like to update other similar images using these templates, it seems to be the way to do it. Cnbrb (talk) 22:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
