Talk:Ukiyo-e

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Hello ...

I have recently been enlightened to this art form by a friend...and i must say i think these prints are all excellent.

I particularly enjoy the work of "Ando Hiroshige" who painted delightful everyday scenes of Japan....when it was still an innocent country and unwesternised.

Another favourite is the work of "Utagawa Kuniyoshi" who is remembered mainly for his scenes depicting ancient japanese folk tales and myths.

There is a story about alot of these prints that prior to westernisation they were in abundance.......upon contact with the western world..via american battle and trade ships ...apparently ??....many of these prints were simply used as packing for pottery ..cups..plates etc...and yet now some of these prints must be very rare and expensive to buy.

A.S.PETERS

9/10/2004

Of course, original prints, especially the pre-prints, are very expensive, like car or a house (big ones or small ones, houses/cars, i.e.).

I will ask your question somewhere about packing and ukiyo-e. I personally doubt it. I think they were too expensive. Ben please vote! 05:10, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

see woodblock printing in Japan for this; also Monet supposedly discovered them used as packing in a spice shop in Holland. Johnbod 20:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 Use plural 2 "Ronin" misused 3 red link policy 4 Introduction - confusing part 5 Assessment 6 Gradients

[edit] Use plural

The article omit the plural "s" when refering to ukiyo-e. I.e. "Ukiyo-e feature" instead of "Ukiyo-e features". Though possibly both usages are correct, the introduction says "ukiyo-e are pictures of the floating world", so it should be treated consequently as plural throughout the article. Ben please vote! 05:10, May 19, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] "Ronin" misused

In the history section of the page, the writer states, "The urbanization of the late 16th century led to the development of a class of ronin, merchants and artisans who began writing stories and painting pictures...." I believe this to be a misuse of the word ronin, which actually refers to masterless samurai, who would under no circumstances enter the class of merchants or artists. Clicking the link to ronin, in fact, takes you to the correct information.

[edit] red link policy

We should try not to have to many red links in articles. I don't know any of the artists in the following list I removed from the article. Please feel free to insert the name as soon as an article on them is created.

• Goyo Hashiguchi
• Koson Ohara
• Kotondo Torii
• Shunsen Natori

• I disagree with the removal of artists until an article is created - one thing the red links do is create an automatic 'wish list' of articles that other wikipedians pick up on and help to create. Perhaps a better idea would be to google the artists to confirm there referencability. I have, and they are valid here. Just because there is not an article yet does not mean they are any less important in the information presented in an article on Ukiyo-e. Let me know what you think - but I move to put them back in - red links and all...Kunchan 21:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Introduction - confusing part

The introduction states the following:
Beautiful courtesans, bulky sumo wrestlers and popular actors would be portrayed while engaged in appealing activities.
and
Political subjects, and individuals above the lowest strata of society (courtesans, wrestlers and actors) were not sanctioned in these prints and very rarely appeared.

Which one is it? Are they an example of portrayals or were they very rarely portrayed? These sentences are almost next to each other, and it's very confusing. Does somebody know which is the correct statement?
Ninja neko 13:32, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

They are both correct. Wrestlers, courtesans, and actors were among the lowest classes of society. Samurai (i.e. nobles) and other higher-class people were almost never portrayed in ukiyo-e art. LordAmeth 15:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment

This article is long and detailed, with a good number of pictures. But there are no cited references, either in-line or in a separate references section. Also, for such a complex and important topic, there is significant potential for expansion. I myself have been working on articles on the individual artists and schools. I understand the trepidation that comes with tackling such a large, broad, and important topic, which is why I haven't done much to this article myself. But I think if a good number of people each contribute a little, a lot can be done. Perhaps once I get a better sense of the different artists and schools myself I'll go tackle the creation of a detailed "history of the development of ukiyo-e" section. LordAmeth 15:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gradients

Does anyone have info on how the color gradients are achieved? It would be a useful addition to the article.

Not sure of the policy on 'self-linking' here, but anyway, I could mention that there is a short photo-essay on my website that concisely illustrates the process of producing a gradation on an ukiyo-e type print. Might it be useful? (David Bull)