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This page is not an insider gossip forum. It should be a encyclopedia entry. Definitely needs improvment.

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19.9.05 The time line should really be a link to a separate page, and each year, as it fills up, should probably get its own link too. Anyone who knows how to do this, please feel free.

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I personally think the timeline is a poor idea. I agree (having been the person who started the article) that the entry was meant to be an encyclopaedic entry... --PeterMarkSmith 09:12, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 === MAP === 2 Teen Life really relevant? 3 Historical information citations? 4 Removed "NPOV disputed tag

[edit] === MAP ===

I know there is an autocad style map of the centre available. I meant to grab a copy when I was back in Dec 06 but didn't. It would be great if someone there could scurry one up and post it onto wiki.

--PeterMarkSmith 08:42, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Teen Life really relevant?

As a former teen resident of Ukarumpa, definitely on the side of enjoyed my life there, I still have to question whether a section about the Teen Life in Ukarumpa is really a relevant issue with regards to Ukarumpa. Is this really something that warrants screen space? I'm not changing anything yet, but rather will see if anyone replies to this comment with an alternative for a while, and then maybe I will delete it. Skalchemist (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

At the moment, it seems to be a dispute between someone elses' view of the place and yours, both of which are likely to be not all that encyclopedic by nature. My only advice is to try and improve rather than remove where possible, and stay clear of bias as much as possible. I hate seeing content whittle away due to disputes. aliasd·U·T 10:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not actually disputing the content, it seems pretty descriptive. I'm disputing whether a discussion of a the life of teenagers on a missionary settlement in PNG meets the Notability guidelines at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability. But since at least one person apparently doesn't dispute that notability, I'm just going to let it go. Skalchemist (talk) 19:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, I think a section on teen life might meet notability, but has a lot of problems with the possibility of becoming/being unencyclopedic and non-NPOV. My comment was a general one, not really relevant to this particular topic... If you want to Be Bold (tm), its totally fine with me, I am just hoping you rewrite stuff where you can and try to improve other people's content wherever possible. Also, I didn't meant to imply that what you are contemplating is necessarily a bad thing (sori tru). Just keep in mind:

• If you get into a content dispute with another editor, it has a very good chance of ultimately degrading the quality of the article, ie you end up with 2 inferior versions rather than one superior. (in this case, one article thats smaller vs one article thats got POV problems)
• It is best to keep any merit you can out of other peoples work, as they could ultimately become a co-collaborator and make life easier for you. Lets in this case assume this is notable, but assume it needs to be written in a neutral and encyclopedic tone.

I just don't want to see a content dispute occur, and simply removing good faith text, no matter how much it might not look like it fits in is something you should think twice, 3 times about! Cheers! aliasd·U·T 04:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Historical information citations?

There are a few historical references here that, while I do not doubt their truth, could stand some kind of authoritative reference. Has there ever been a center history published? I will see if I can find reference and copy of one, that could support some of these comments. Skalchemist (talk) 20:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

You really need to find these things yourself! Good references are sorely needed, and I would suggest an inquiry to the SIL as a good first step, although other sources are also necessary. Due to the somewhat academic nature of the settlement, perhaps some former workers/residents have had book or periodical publications detailing aspects of the area, or their life there? aliasd·U·T 10:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I've put a few feelers out for such things, and if and when they show up, I will edit and improve. Skalchemist (talk) 19:41, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Removed "NPOV disputed tag

I've taken this tag out. The actual dispute seems to be old news, long ago corrected, and there doesn't seem to be any NPOV problems with the article at this time. If someone disagrees, please revert and then put something here that says what you still consider NPOV. Skalchemist (talk) 19:53, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

I just noted that the tag was actually from January 2008, and was specifically regarding the teen life section. However, this section appears to now be NPOV, and there is no discussion above except for the one I started, which isn't about NPOV but notability. Therefore, still deleted the tag. Skalchemist (talk) 19:56, 23 May 2008 (UTC)