Talk:UEFA Euro 2008 Group C
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The ITV coverage of Netherlands v Italy showed Boulahrouz to be playing at right back and Ooijer at centre back, not the other way around as this article originally stated. This does however conflict with the information given by Sky Sports Live Score Centre. I've adjusted the Netherlands' team sheet accordingly, but can anyone do the same with the .svg image in the middle of the article? I'm relatively sure that the information given by ITV is correct, as Ooijer playing at RB is unlikely. Thecomaboy (talk) 11:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- There's a similar problem with Gattuso and Ambrosini playing on the sides of the midfield. I switched them on the list but the image is not correct.--Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 14:18, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant what ITV say the lineup was. This press release from UEFA shows Boulahrouz at centre-back and Ooijer at right-back, Gattuso at left-mid and Ambrosini at right-mid. – PeeJay 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, sorry. My mistake. Thecomaboy (talk) 20:02, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- The same is on uefa.com, I saw it. It is made by humans who can make mistakes, so citing wrong information is irrelevant. The Milan midfield with these three players is always Gattuso, Pirlo, Ambrosini from right to left and it was the case in this game too.--Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Can you show me a link that proves that it was the case with this game too? – PeeJay 16:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- There you go. --Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, and what makes Yahoo! more reliable as a source than the tournament's organisers? – PeeJay 20:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ususally nothing. In this case: the fact that they are not providing fake information while uefa.com does. The point is that even the most reliable sources may contain facts that are wrong, so why copy the mistakes to Wikipedia? Let me ask, if on uefa.com the starting line-up included Amelia instead of Buffon as goalkeeper and thousands of people saw Buffon playing from the first second till the very end, would you add to the article a line-up with Amelia, because untouchable uefa.com says so? The swich of position of Gattuso and Ambrosini is clearly a similar mistake. So now what, shall I look for images that show them in their position at the start of the game??--Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 21:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- There is a difference between listing completely the wrong player and getting a couple of positions wrong. If an error had occurred, I'm fairly certain it would have been corrected by now. The fact that it hasn't indicates that no error has taken place, so to say that UEFA.com is providing "fake" information is a bit of an overstatement (which, in itself, is a bit of an understatement). – PeeJay 22:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Saying something is "this" when it is "that" is in fact fake information. Even if it's "only" about their position. Moreover, I'm sure uefa.com wouldn't have corrected it by now, as I bet noone bothered to notify them about it.--Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 22:25, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- There is a difference between listing completely the wrong player and getting a couple of positions wrong. If an error had occurred, I'm fairly certain it would have been corrected by now. The fact that it hasn't indicates that no error has taken place, so to say that UEFA.com is providing "fake" information is a bit of an overstatement (which, in itself, is a bit of an understatement). – PeeJay 22:07, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ususally nothing. In this case: the fact that they are not providing fake information while uefa.com does. The point is that even the most reliable sources may contain facts that are wrong, so why copy the mistakes to Wikipedia? Let me ask, if on uefa.com the starting line-up included Amelia instead of Buffon as goalkeeper and thousands of people saw Buffon playing from the first second till the very end, would you add to the article a line-up with Amelia, because untouchable uefa.com says so? The swich of position of Gattuso and Ambrosini is clearly a similar mistake. So now what, shall I look for images that show them in their position at the start of the game??--Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 21:56, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- OK, and what makes Yahoo! more reliable as a source than the tournament's organisers? – PeeJay 20:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- There you go. --Rosiefromconcrete (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- And the fact remains that ppl are allowed to move when they are on the pitch. But the official starting formation given by Italy to UEFA (i presume) is the one on uefa.com and its the one that counts ← chandler 16:57, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- Can you show me a link that proves that it was the case with this game too? – PeeJay 16:52, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
- It is irrelevant what ITV say the lineup was. This press release from UEFA shows Boulahrouz at centre-back and Ooijer at right-back, Gattuso at left-mid and Ambrosini at right-mid. – PeeJay 14:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
