Talk:U.S. Route 19

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Talk:U.S. Route 11 has details on the Bristol truck route. --SPUI (T - C) 12:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Length Calaulation

I used ArcGIS 9 to calculate the length of 1,398 miles, which does not include a concurrency with US HWY 321 which is about 8 miles. Add that to the length ArcMap found and the length is 1,406 miles. If anyone has an official documented reference, please correct it. Stratosphere 05:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguate "Corridor L" into multiple articles

  • I didn't put the tag there, but it wasn't on the talk page, so I created it. Personally, I feel that there should be disambiguation pages, because Corridor L has links from other pages, and just goes to a redirect to here, which isn't the best thing, because Corridor L is only a small part of US 19. If it had its own article, it would be much more beneficial. Those are just my two cents. --Riley 03:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox

Only the 10 most major junctions should be listed. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Well there's 11 left, but I think we can bend it a little. - Aerobird Target locked - Fox One! 14:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major intersections in Georgia north of GA 400 freeway

Here are the major intersections on US 19 north of the GA 400 freeway.

Dawson County

Lumpkin County

Union County

—C.Fred (talk) 22:25, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major junctions

While I can understand the need to keep the infobox concise, a hard limit of 10 junctions is inappropriate here. We can probably do without I-279, but I-90 and I-70 (at the I-79 concurrency) are primary interstates. Both of these are also high-traffic interchanges serving Washington, PA and Erie, PA. -- JeffBillman (talk) 22:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

It's inappropriate to have five junctions for Pennsylvania when less than a fifth of the route is in the state. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 22:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but look at traffic. Certainly more people use US-19 in suburban Pittsburgh than in long rural stretches of West Virginia and Georgia. Besides, I'd like to know what criteria you used to eliminate the primary interstates. (I'd also like to know why a so-called admin told me not to make edits to this page again, but that's another issue entirely.) 10 is an arbitrary number (as is 5), and inappropriate to determine notability. -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
And the Pittsburgh area needs only one junction, which I left in my version of the junctions. If you're really concerned about listing every intersection with an Interstate in Pennsylvania, start the "major intersections" section for the article, which is intended to be a list of junctions major enough to be mentioned but not major enough to be given mention in the infobox (as the infobox is for intersections with major routes in major areas that help show where the route travels).
Criteria: I-90 was removed for being too close to the northern terminus, hence duplicating a location (Erie) in the infobox. I-70 and I-279 were removed for being extra Pittsburgh-area junctions. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 23:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
More than ten junctions makes the infobox too big. --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I disagree, but I'll set aside that issue for now. If we're going to limit it to no more than 10, let's try to determine the (>/=)10 junctions that are most noteworthy of mention here. I would submit that the junction with the I-70/I-79 concurrency is certainly in the top 10, and I would further suggest that the I-90 junction is also in the top 10. Traffic ought to be a factor in making this determination; allow me to find some sources that indicate this before we put these back in the article. -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I would also suggest that we move rather slowly on this. While it's certainly difficult to determine tone on the Internet, the fact that both of you have been extremely quick to defend the paring of the list suggests to me that we all could probably use a wikibreak on this one. :-) So let these be my last words on this for today, and I'll take up this article tomorrow (or the next day, etc.). Perhaps the two of you would like to do the same. Sound fair? -- JeffBillman (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
The guideline does not get bent. And to make the record straight, I've been through situations on Wikipedia that have been literally a hundred times more stressful than this. --Rschen7754 (T C) 23:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
For the record, I've already had a wikibreak and this certainly isn't anything that warrants a wikibreak. I've been through much worse. In any event, the guideline I referenced has been in place for a long time and is widely accepted. The existence of a 10-junction limit is nothing new. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 23:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay, how about this: There are 13 junctions with Interstate highways from recent edits that need to be pared down to 10 or less, yes? We take out I-279. We take out I-77 in West Virginia, as the section on US 19 in WV already says the route parallels I-77, and the town of the "major junction" is redlinked. Then we could take out I-80 if we can also agree to take out at least one of the three Atlanta-area junctions. (No reason Pittsburgh only gets one, while Atlanta gets three.) Might I suggest taking out I-75's Forest Park, GA junction, as the article already mentions the parallels of 19 with 75? If it's possible, we can even pair up the I-90 junction with the terminus: "US 20 near I-90 at Erie, PA". That takes the total number of "major junctions" down to 8, plus the two termini. And it preserves the junction with the I-70/I-79 concurrency, which might actually be the busiest junction on the whole route given the existence of the Washington (PA) Mall on this full cloverleaf interchange. -- JeffBillman (talk) 09:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

How about the following:

US 98 in Perry, FL
US 82 in Albany, GA
I-20 in Atlanta, GA
I-40 in Asheville, NC
I-81 in Bristol, VA
US 52 in Bluefield, WV
US 50 in Clarksburg, WV
US 30 in Pittsburgh, PA

--NE2 12:41, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, since US 98 overlaps US 19 into Chassahowitzka, I'd make that adjustment. Otherwise, I think we should move closer towards more state-specific US 19 articles, including Florida. ----DanTD (talk) 15:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
We don't need to list both ends of an overlap... --NE2 17:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
To only list one end is somewhat misleading, though. ----DanTD (talk) 17:43, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Not at all. We're saying there's a junction with US 98 in Perry, not that that's the only junction with US 98. --NE2 17:59, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm thinking we need state-specific articles. The US 30 junction is the same as I-279, and I-20, I-40, and I-81 are each already in the infobox. But your proposal actually increases the number of junctions to 17. If we must limit ourselves to 10, adding junctions seems a bit counterproductive. -- JeffBillman (talk) 02:58, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I believe NE2's proposal was replacing the existing junctions with those... (which I support) --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 03:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Interesting... considered you just deleted one of the proposed junctions from the infobox. But might I ask what your rationale is in supporting the proposal? -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
It's the best proposal I've seen here. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 04:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Good as anything I've got. Go for it, NE2. -- JeffBillman (talk) 04:26, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] U.S. Route 19 in Florida

Is anybody working on a state-specific U.S. Route 19 article for Florida? Because if not I'll try to write one, and if anyone is, I'm always willing to add whatever I can. Plus, if I do decide to write one, I'll gladly accept whatever input is available. By the way, I've also called for the possibility of a US 19-98 article in the past, since there happens to be one for US 17-92. ----DanTD (talk) 01:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, no answers. I suppose I should take this as a "no" and hit the sandbox for this one. ----DanTD (talk) 13:11, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Exact Location of Erie Terminus?

At what intersection does this route terminate in Erie? RSLitman (talk) 23:58, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Peach (US 19) and 28th (U.S. Route 20) Streets. --TMF Let's Go Mets - Stats 00:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)