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If you have the "History of Professional Tennis" by Joe McCauley you could fill your interrogations (exact scores) : if you haven't it you can order it at http://www.thetennisgallery.co.uk/default.asp and in Ray Bowers Web site you can have some (but not all) answers : http://www.tennisserver.com/lines/lines-archive.html then you choose all the pages with the title beginning as "FORGOTTEN VICTORIES: A History Pro Tennis 1926-1945" or as "History of the Pro Tennis Wars"

Sometimes McCauley and Bowers have contradicting data (Bowers categorically affirms that there were no Wembley tournaments in '36 and '38 while McCauley lists final results)

The 1939 edition was played on CEMENT (Hard) (at the Los Angeles Tennis Club) : I have still in memory the photo (of Vines) and the comment in the article "25 years ago" in a 1964 World Tennis Magazine accounting the 1939 U.S. Pro and detailing what almost all the players earned at this tournament (Vines : $340 in singles + $113 in doubles)

the West Side Tennis Club editions were played at Forest Hills on grass and the first Longwood CC (64 to 68) also on grass and from 69 to 73 played on a hard surface (Uni-turf ? I'm not sure, I've seen it in a Bud Collins article) and the 1950 edition was played on clay according to Kramer who lost to Segura in the semis

the 1942 edition was played at Forest Hills

Carlo Colussi 14:31, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] the US Pro wasn't an exhibition at all

Please Mr. Feardes don't put the US Pro in the category "Exhibition tennis tournament" because some years it was the greatest tennis event of the year : for instance in 1948 it almost ranked the four best players in the world : Kramer, Riggs, Kovacs and Budge. Sure it has become a depleted event, out of the ATP circuit, in the 90s-00s but from 1927 to 1967 it was a very big event and from 1968 to the 80s still a big event. It has been only an exhibition for 10 years out of an history of 80 years. I would also say the same thing about the River Oaks tournament : it became an exhibition only in the 80s but I don't think that Bitsy Grant or Gardnar Mulloy who have won three times this tournament would be glad to hear they have won an exhibition. World Team Tennis has always been an exhibition.Carlo Colussi 06:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

• Carlo, my thinking when adding this category was that if the event was held for some period of time as exhibition it could be included in this category. But your view is OK from overall history perspective and I have to agree with you. Thanks.

Feardes 19:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

• In the case of the River Oaks tournament you could create a new category (I don't know how to call it "ancient official tournaments now exhibitions" would be ugly but this is that) because River Oaks is different from "ECC-Antwerp" because the latter had never been an official traditional tournament whereas the "River Oaks" was from the 30s to the 80s. Carlo Colussi 07:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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