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Hi, I've responded to your comments at Talk:List_of_current_members_of_the_British_Privy_Council I would appreciate your input so a conclusion can be reached on how to sort that list out. I'm prepared to do the correction, I just want to check that there's no objection or further comment first. The18thDoctor 00:38, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi! I saw your comments on the Warren E. Hearnes talk page. Can you give me a better idea of what you object to? The sections on his accomplishments while in office is rather long and has a lot of "peacock words". Maybe that's what we need to clean up. I'm happy to take a stab at it. TMS63112 15:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I've re-written the article and condensed the discussion of his accomplishments to a couple paragraphs. Let me know what you think. It's obviously much easier to talk about what someone did do than what they didn't do (did not go to the moon, find a cure for cancer or bring about world peace) but obviously for a politician it make sense to talk about things they tried to accomplish but were unsuccessful, for example. I don't know enough about Missouri politics in the 1960's to be much help there. I believe that a couple years after Hearnes left office the St. Louis Post-Dispatch ran some scathing articles about him suggesting a connection to a political "slush fund". As far as I know he was never charged with any wrongdoing and I think he may have even ended up winning a libel suit against the Post. But the whole incident surely damaged his later political career and may help explain his unsuccessful bids for office in 1976 and 1978. This should all probably be mentioned in the article but I don't know enough to write about it and I couldn't find any good on-line sources. TMS63112 22:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] British Royalty

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[edit] Edit to Princess Maud of Fife

You "corrected" Earl Southesk's title inside a link - this, however, means the link points to a page which doesn't exist. Do you know about piped links? They go like this:

[[Existing page title|Link as you want it to appear]]

For instance:

[[User:Danbarnesdavies|Me]]

produces Me

Hope this helps // DBD 12:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "please see WikiProject Peerage- full titles should be used"

Re: Lady Mountbatten. Where is this WikiProject Peerage? To refer to peers by their full title at every single mention during an article would ludicrously overload substantive discussion with guff. It would be equivalent to insisting on referring to the Queen at every single mention as Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith. The Law Reports certainly don't refer to the law lords by their full titles at every reference. Pending a sensible response I am changing the subsequent references after the initial "Countess Mountbatten of Burma" to "Lady Mountbatten," which surely cannot be controversial. She was, in any event, an extremely no-nonsense sort of woman, a staunch Labour Party supporter; such nonsense would have curled her hair. You may note, by comparison, the facts that (a) her daughter, the current Countess Mountbatten of Burma, prefers to be called "Lady Patricia" by the officers and enlisted men of her regiment, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry, in deference to her aunt, Princess Patricia of Connaught for whom it was named and who was Lady Mountbatten's predecessor as colonel-in-chief and who indeed on marrying a commoner decided no longer to be referred to as Princess Patricia, much less Princess Patricia of Connaught, but as Lady Patricia Ramsay; and (b) The present Lady Mountbatten's husband, Baron Brabourne, always used "John Brabourne" as his professional designation. Masalai 08:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Further: You should consult the unofficial biography of Mountbatten by Philip Hough and the official biography by Philip Ziegler as well as the biography of Lady Mountbatten by Janet Morgan (all referred to in the "References" section of the article on Lady Mountbatten): the formal "of Burma" only occurs in initial references; thereafter the demands of readable prose obviate it. So should the Wikipedia article.Masalai 08:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] William Cavendish, 4th Duke of Devonshire

Sorry, but there was no need to remove the succession box of the Barony of Cavendish of Hardwick, since he inherited this title not together with the dukedom, but as a writ of acceleration. I would not like to destroy your other work with a revert, so would you please reinsert the box. Thanks ~~ Phoe talk 00:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC) ~~ PS.:Furthermore you should read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Partial dates. It says that we generally don't link months without days (but only in cases, where such a link is necessary to understand the text), so please would you change this too. ~~ Phoe talk 12:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC) ~~

Thanks and Greetings Phoe 13:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Earls and Marquesses of Bute

To answer your immediate question, the Earls of Bute used the courtesy title "Lord Mount Stuart". I'll try to make things clear on the Marquess of Bute article. Proteus (Talk) 11:52, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Titles/address in UK

According to the WIki page you sent me to, "Lord Linley" is for oral purposes, not written ones, where he would be referred to as Viscount Linley. Any suggestions? 67.142.130.31 19:49, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Use of Courtesy Title (written) as per Wiki

I humbly submit the following, from the Courtesy Titles article of Wikipedia, which should clear up the matter: For the British peerage, written references to holders of courtesy titles are supposed to be in the form "Marquess of Blandford", "Earl of Arundel", etc., i.e. without the preceding definite article ("The"); substantive peers are named with the article, e.g. "The Marquess of Winchester", "The Earl of Derby". 67.142.130.31 19:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Debrett's confirms that while it is correct to refer to Earl Mountbatten of Burma, the informal usage is simply Lord Mountabatten. The 'of Burma' would only be used if there were two Lords Mountbatten.Balliol 11:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
It is very sweet and commendable that you wish to be nice to this Proteus woman: I too was a boy scout -- or perhaps you were a girl scout -- but she is a very rude and coarse and abusive old thing and really you should not be encouraging her. If you are in regular contact with her you might, though, suggest that when she enters into discussion with young people she try to keep a grip on herself and not be quite so eager to bring out her umbrella and batter people about the ears. Please do consider very carefully whether you really wish to buoy up this person: it seems likely to encourage her in further abusiveness and surely the world has enough of that. Masalai 21:20, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Matters of mutual address

Well, if you choose to encourage this Proteus woman in her, at times, well-nigh hysterical rudeness and unpleasantness that is your look-out, I suppose. My concern is only that Wikipedia participants maintain a reasonable measure of respectful civility in communicating with each other and this Proteus woman takes no care at all to be even moderately polite, much less appropiately respectful of others with whom she communicates. I should have thought that it was in the interest of the Wikipedia project that the abusiveness she (and a few others like her) issue forth be discouraged.

It is never an effort to maintain a tone of moderateness; indeed, it is rather more of an effort to be unpleasant. One might have thought that a person of this Proteus woman’s years would in her long experience have learned this many years ago. I could, I suppose, quote for you the numerous instances of this Proteus woman’s extreme rude and disrespectful unpleasantness, just the ones that have been brought to my own attention. But that would needlessly bring back to my own attention matters that I prefer to forget. And to that end, yes, I do delete from my talk page unkind and unpleasant remarks: if you wish to view them you can always check the history of that page.

I do urge you to reconsider whether you really wish to encourage someone like this Proteus woman in her rudeness and incivility. Kind regards. Masalai 22:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Abdication

Thanks for your help with the ongoing clean-up of Edward VIII abdication crisis! DrKiernan 09:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr

Your knowing violoation of 3RR rule and obsessive vandalization of Windsor article is reported to the admin board for corrective action against you.

[edit] Newcastle

They were indeed all "Newcastle-upon-Tyne" until, as you say, the most recent one. Proteus (Talk) 09:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spencer family - help

Hello, you helped me a lot with the system of British courtesy titles in noble families. So, are you able to help me with the Spencer family? Or do you know someone who is able? Thank you very much for your help.
VM 16:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reply - PC

Hi, sorry that I needed so long. There isn't a policy to this, however some time ago there was a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Honorific_Prefixes with no contradictions against Necrothesp's arguments. If some articles don't include the Privy Council-postnominal, it can mean also that till now noboby felt responsible to add it. I hope I could satisfy you. Greetings ~~ Phoe talk 11:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC) ~~

[edit] Edward Coke Crow - thank you

As the article on Edward Coke Crow was my first, your helpful, precise and useful edits are welcomed. You are what makes Wikipedia great. Thank you for the effort. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dalcrow (talk • contribs) 16:21, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Good work

Thanks for your helpful contributions, like fixing the IIUS template. Cheers, ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:44, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

And moving it to the bottom of Bracero Program. Mdotley 02:08, 6 July 2007 (UTC)