Talk:Tyler, Texas

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[edit] Temparatures

Don't you think the tempature charts for the average tyler weather should be primaraly in Farenhight? the town is in america, and we use farenhiegt in america, right? Binglebongle2000 (talk) 16:25, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Supermodel reality TV

Do you think we should put a mention to that reality TV show about the supermodel who went to work at one of the Tyler news shows? Binglebongle2000 00:01, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Maybe a refrence, but thats it Ryan Peveto (talk) 07:40, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
Done. Snowfire51 (talk) 08:08, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Transportation

Someone ought to upgrade the transportation section; perhaps including a link to Loop 49. I will when I get the time. Dirtydan667 19:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Done. I also added information about the other major roadways in the city. Apophos 17:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Perfect...much better than anything I could have come up with. Dirtydan667 15:17, 3 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Economy

Maybe I'm being obsessive, but I think the current events template tag at the top of Economy is innappropriate.......anyone agree/disagree? Buddpaul 20:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I believe it was tagged when Goodyear announced imminent closure of the plant and the article was changed to reflect that. They have sinced backed off and moved the closure date to 2008. That, of course, could change at any time, leaving the article inaccurate. I think the tag is appropriate until it is confirmed that the plant will remain open indefinitely or is closed permanently. Or, we could remove the closure announcement from the article and just reference the plant's closure when it happens. Then the tag would be inappropriate. Let's get some consensus first. A lot of good editors include this article in their rounds. Dirtydan667 01:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

That is correct, I tagged it while the USW strike was going on and it was a hot topic across the country. Its pretty much over now, except that the plant is still slated to close, but this is no longer a national news item. Alshain01 04:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Winery

I removed some text (provided below) regarding a winery in operation near Tyler because it seemed like an advertisement and it was in the manufacturing portion of the economy section. It is possibly notable in that it is one of the few places near (within?) Tyler where alcohol may be purchased for off-site consumption (?), but mentioning that tidbit warrants mentioning the inability, in general, to purchase alcohol for off-site consumption within Tyler. I'd say that it belongs in the new (and largely incomplete and so-far hardly encyclopedic) Recreation/Tourism section, at the very minimum. If no one wants to work it back into the article somehow (or if no one responds within a few weeks or so), I'll put something together. I'd like some consensus as to whether the winery deserves mentioning; for instance, to those who have been: is it something that deserves mentioning in an encyclopedia? Dirtydan667 09:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

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* Kiepersol Estates Winery operates 10 miles south of town in Bullard, TX which is in Smith County. They have a winery store in town, although no beer, wine, or liquor is sold throughout the county, Kiepersol can legally sell its alcoholic wine because 2/3 or more of the grapes are produced in Texas and in Smith County.

Nevermind. I requested speedy deletion of the Kiepersol article and got it, as it was utterly unencyclopedic. Next order of business... Dirtydan667 19:53, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rose Festivities

I think that there shoukd AT LEAST be an acknowledgement to the Rose Festival, held annually in Tyler. With a new "Rose Queen" crowned each year, I think we should also have a list of the Queens. As the Rose Festival has a museum, parade, and major event which draws many Tyler residents to it. This is a MAJOR event in Tyler, and the queens have all kinds of "royalty" if someone else dosn't get started on this soon, I will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.71.177.102 (talk) 16:03, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

There already is acknowledgment. Check out the existing article Texas Rose Festival. That article is linked in a previous section. The list of the queens, if that should ever be deemed encyclopedic, would be much more appropriate within that article. I'd hate to revert the work you've done, but seeing that the festival is already mentioned in the article and that the festival already has its own article, it seems a bit redundant. Dirtydan667 00:56, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
After much thought, I made the decision to remove the section about the rose festival. There truly is already mention (as well as an article) and its reinclusion seems redundant. Dirtydan667 01:43, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

A VERY SMALL mention, and might I add, most Tyler citizens go to the parade adn everything else. I had much work and research on that! PLease AT LEast let me try to keep it up. I will do even more and even better, I promise. Binglebongle2000 04:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Be aware that this article is about Tyler. More sourced mentions of the Rose Festival may be inserted into appropriate sections of the Tyler article as needed. However, creating a (no offense, but it was poorly written) section about the festival when then there is an existing article about the festival is redundant. Your section did not mention anything about Tyler (which is what this article is about) or the festival's impact on Tyler (which, again, is what this article is about). Your section was about the Texas Rose Festival, which already has an article. A sourced mention of the economic impact of the rose festival is needed in the Tyler article in the Economy section, for sure. Thanks to your inquiry, I reworked the Texas Rose Festival into the Tyler article. I gave it the mention that it probably deserves within the Tyler article in an appropriate section. Dirtydan667 17:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I copied the reverted text below. Note that I am not trying to be hurtful, but am offering constructive criticism, when I say: please read a few encyclopedia articles before editing, so that you may pick up a few pointers regarding the style and flow of an encyclopedia article:
Rose Festival
In Tyler, every year a "Rose Festival" is held in which there is a "Rose Queen". Note that there is no "Rose King". The Rose Queen has a dress, crown, and other items of royalty. She is accompanied by train bearers, and many others. The Rose Festival includes a parade, and there is a Rose Festival Museum, where former queens' dresses are on display. Each year there is a theme. Some examples are:
English Literature(year of Cathrine Noelle King)2005
Imperial Fantasy (year of Samantha Fischer)1989


A list of rose queens definatly can be called encyclopedic! I can see it now, an elementary age kid from Tyler who wants to do a report on a rose queen so she naturally looks it up on Wikipedia. But then she is very dissapointed when there is no list of rose queens, and she is forced to go to another website, or even worse- change her topic. Binglebongle knows what shes talking about.

To be brutally honest, outside of Tyler (and surely outside of Texas), the Texas Rose Festival (which already has an article where mention of the queens belongs) is not widely known. The queens don't seem to achieve greater notability afterwards; hence, a list of the queens may not fly. It absolutely does not belong in the Tyler article. Dirtydan667 17:51, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

If you even LOOKED at the article that you deleted! If you had any comprehension, there wasn't a LIST of queens. It was used as an example for themes! THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!!!!!!Binglebongle2000 00:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This isn't very difficult.
1) I did not delete any article. I deleted a section in an article.
2) So, put the list of themes and queens in the Texas Rose Festival article, where it belongs. None of that belongs in the Tyler article. May we move on?
3) You're welcome. Dirtydan667 12:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ok, Mr. Tecnical. ( I don't care if I spelled that wrong). Do YOU know any TYLER CITIZENS? DO You know what they do on a summer afternoon? They go to the ROSE FESTIVAL! And, also, I am very well aware of the fact that that outside of Tyler this isn't very well known. SO THIS ISN'T VERY DIFFUCULT:

1) wikipedia is an online ENCYCLOPEDIA

2)People use ENCYCLOPEDIAS (there's that word again) to LEARN things about whatever they look up.

3) People don't want to waste their time reading ENCYCLOPEDIA articles that just say everthing they ALREADY KNOW

Does it make sense yet? Ok. On another note, going with your thinking, the city of Tyler isn't very well known. So, (again using your logic) why don't we just delete the whole article about Tyler. HONESTLY! Binglebongle2000 14:14, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Got you there, didn't I? I'm putting it back up so deal with it! 76.25.27.32 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


Nevermind I apologize. The article was poorly written and I will not put it back up.

[edit] Utilities Section

What is the precedent for this section? Is it something that must be included for FA status? Has something similar been justifiably added to the articles of other cities? It seems a bit out of place and like an ad for the companies or a new resident's guide. I'll give it some time and hope a discussion takes place. Dirtydan667 16:52, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tyler History

Don't you think that we should put something in about the history of Tyler? Tell me what you think.Binglebongle2000 04:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. That's the main omission that has been holding this article back. Dirtydan667 17:18, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Finnaly, we agree on something. Binglebongle2000 01:22, 27 March 2007 (UTC)


I think adding something about how the city was named would be good. Was it named after John Tyler, one of our nation's presidents? I am pretty sure it is, but i would like some feedback before I put that up. 76.25.49.63 16:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Peveto

You know I tried pretty hard to make this page nice. All you people did was delete all my hard work and in its place add worthless, unencyclopedic work like popular murders in the area and a show that ran for about 2 weeks on TV as if it is more encyclopedic. So it really lets me know where your priorities are when things like CULTURE, alternative sports, local foods, traditions, history, southern influence, and even our unique accent are deleted over this pessimistic banter. It basically seems like if you are not in "the wiki club" you don't put things up, not what the content actually is. I even tried to take parts of things that were similar from other wiki entries to "stay within format" and make use of internal links but hours of my work were deleted in trade for things that were only intended to hurt my town. Which seemed but vendictive and intentional. The only thing they kept of my work was the climate chart, which I have no doubt will soon be deleted. When did things like a listing of rose queens, high school football teams, mureder of an insane person, a wotrhless TV show or sister cities to cities that have no real conection to Tyler, and even on wiki make no mention of Tyler on their entries, become more important or encyclopedic than what things are like here from an objective perspective? This must be why, when I got excited about wiki and what I could do for my hometown, many of my freinds said not to waste my time. They mentioned all that the administrators allow on this site is mostly useless, uninteresting facts and even if you make links to things like PUBLIC MUSEUMS under chapters titled recreation and tourism they will take it down saying it is an advertisement. This site has the potiential to be great but it seems like a popularity contest under the ruse it only works off of fact prevents passionate interested people from working on it. If murders and flops TV shows are all this town has to offer, why look it up at all? Ryan Peveto (talk) 03:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way, however, I tried at length on your talk page [1] [2] [3] to thank you for your contributions, and explain why doing things like adding long lists of external links, copying text from other websites, and adding unsourced information for tourists [4] isn't what wikipedia is about. It doesn't seem like you ever read up on wikipedia policies, or went toany of the links I suggested as examples.
Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a guide for tourists. When people want to read an entry on Tyler, they'll look for things like the Anchorwoman show, or how the town got its name, or other properly sourced, notable things. It's not necessary or encyclopedic to add external links to places that aren't even notable enough to have their own wikipedia entry.
If you think a museum or local attraction is notable enough to deserve mention here, then they probably deserve their own article on wikipedia. That's a good place to start.
I've told you in every message if you have any questions as a new editor, to please ask me and I'll do my best to help. I'll repeat that offer, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page. Snowfire51 (talk) 06:43, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Comment For what it is worth, I would suggest that the "Famous Tylerites" become a new article List of notable people from Tyler, Texas (or a category) and make this article list shorter, and link over to the full page. about 10-12 people are enough to make a representative list in the Tyler article, and they can easily go to the main list of people if they want to see more. I think concise is a good thing, and by creating the longer lists and articles elsewhere and just summarizing them, you end up with more info here, and a more readable article. I won't be bold and leave up to you guys to do. I also have reservations about listing all the city utilities, for example. Most articles on cities don't do that, since an article isn't supposed to be a moving guide. PHARMBOY (TALK) 19:32, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Media Updated

I jazzed up the media section. I added back coverage areas (because people kept putting them there anyway). Alshain01 (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2008 (UTC) this is not close to texas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.76.50 (talk) 03:41, 10 June 2008 (UTC)