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This is interesting and all, but what is "Two Lamps"? A definition must always be in the intro paragraph. --mav 12:44 Aug 24, 2002 (PDT)
- Apparently it's something to do with Tolkien and Middle Earth, but I'm not qualified to explain. --user:Heron
That's not quite the story that The Silmarillion tells. It would be nice to include both versions. Smack 04:20 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think that in later texts there is no match with Helcar and Ringil and the towers of the Lamps, so that the names of Illuin and Ormal probably can be used for towers and Lamps together. 195.150.224.33 07:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)