Talk:Twink (gay slang)/Archive 1

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merits

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In respect of the history of this article, there is a discussion of its merits at Talk:Twink. Fibula 16:47, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

article name

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In disambiguating the article 'Twink' there was the choice of moving this content to 'Twink (gay slang)' or to 'Twinkie (gay slang)'. Little seemed to turn on the choice. As 'Twink' was said to be an abbreviation for 'Twinkie', both part of gay slang, I chose to go with the root: 'Twinkie (gay slang)', which I think will be quickly found by anybody first visiting 'Twink'. Fibula 11:36, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

I've never heard the term twinkie, it's been twink since I came onto the scene in 1980, however, it's still a locatable term so I'll leave the title as is. Most of this seems to be in exact sync with answers.com, as such I will be revising it. The deleted section on race is actually irrelevent, un-PC and pandering. At no stage was twink ever a soley caucasian term. The picture needs to be replaced with a more generic public domain twink image, as it stands it's unsuitable to describe the term. Added an age range as twink rarely means a person under 18 - there is more appropriate gay slang for that. Glowworm62 13:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

image

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As image:twink.jpg was due for deletion, I searched the verified images for an illustrative image. Another image has been used as a temporary measure until a verified representative image can be found. This image does however fairly accurately represent the definition of twink inside the gay community without being overly pornographic. Glowworm62 14:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Added a list of links to Twinkish Gay Pono actor bios and a table containing twinks in general media. I will expand this table as I have time. Glowworm62 03:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Roger Bart

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Roger Bart as a twink? Surely someone is jesting? (Roger Bart is listed as a twink in media) Tornberg 12:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Connotation

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I was pretty amazed to read the following in the article:

Although the term can be derogatory and pejorative, implying shallowness and lack of intellect, it is rarely used in this manner.

For about the first decade after I came out, I never heard the term used in any other manner. Remember the "ditzball twinkie" scene in Parting Glances? In fact, at least among people I know, it's still commonly used in that manner. Doctor Whom 17:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

This article really needs sources. I tried looking for some a while ago but there appears to be next to nothing on the web. -- Steel 18:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
I've added links to two online dictionaries of gay slang, both of which contradict the assertion made in the article. If no one else objects, I'll make the appropriate change. Doctor Whom 14:05, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
I see that Natgoo has already made the change. Thanks. Doctor Whom 15:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Buffy/Highschool Musical

I don't think they qualify as twinks. First, neither are officially gay. Second, Andrew on Buffy was later seen in relationships with girls. Third, I always thought Twink implied being attractive, like clean shaven well kept boy. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.63.204.130 (talk) 05:51, 16 March 2007 (UTC).

Twinks portrayed in the media

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This section isn't maintainable. It's not even a finite list. Do you know how many twinks there are in popular media? If someone wants to create a page called List of Twinks Portrayed in the Media I say go for it, and then link to it from this page. But it just doesn't belong as part of this article. It would be acceptable to state a couple examples, though: "Examples of twinks portrayed in the media include actor Randy Harrison and porn star Brent Corrigan" So I propose deleting this section. Thoughts? -Bindingtheory 22:58, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Nobody seems to have any objections, so I'm going to delete the section. -Bindingtheory 02:12, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Origin

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The explanation of origin of the term, while perhaps accurate, is really kind of sad. It's such a dismissive term to use for a human being and it was a mistake to not delete this entry when it was proposed for deletion.

Look up "ho" in WP and and you get a (slang) disambiguation link for "whore" that goes straight to a major entry on prostitution.

Giving this word a life of its own in WP is just a shame to the community.

We should be better than this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.252.113.47 (talk) 09:14, 12 April 2007 (UTC).

Who is "giving this word a life of its own in WP"? We're here to give verifiable information on the ways in which the word is actually used, not to decide how or whether it ought to be used. Doctor Whom 12:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Chick & Chicken vs. Twink

There are two problems with this sentence: In some societies the term "chick" or "chicken" is preferred. First is that chick is a USA slang word for a girl. Second, chicken is a USA gay slang word for an (usually) underage boy, either gay or straight. Although there may be some overlap between chicken and twink, the difference, I think, is primarily age related. The definitions of twink I have seen or heard usually refer to a boy that is 18-22, or so. In any case, both words need citations. I tagged the sentence with WP:Citation needed. Becksguy 04:14, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

I've added a ref to address this. Although presently those definitions might be true they certainly aren't universal nor have they always been. Chick and chicken have many meanings and has changed with no set rules on age which is generally true for twink. I think the article should be amended to reflect that but the article as is needs plenty of work so I'm not stressing on that for now. Benjiboi 10:33, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Twink as mentored/supported by older man

There seems to be a problem with this sentence from the article: In some societies, Twink can also mean a younger gay male who has the support/partnership of a older gay male. A young man (gay or not) who is financially, emotionally, or spiritually supported by an older man may, or may not, be a twink. Twink is a descriptive term related to a young man's age and looks, not to his relationship with someone older. Even if way more twinks get supported by older gay men because of their youth and looks, instead of for altruistic motives only. It almost sounds like twink is being suggested as another term for kept boy, and I question that meaning. If that is a meaning in other cultures, spell it out please (what societies, where, when, etc.) and include a citation. WP:Citation. Becksguy 05:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Actually I think it is used in that manner (e.g. My twink du jour) but not predominantly. Benjiboi 10:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
It's been fact tagged since July 2007 (by me), and I couldn't find references (except porn links), so I'm removing it after six months. Feel free to add back in with citations. Also removing reference in same paragraph to Twinking, as a on-line roleplaying gaming term, per article top DAB. — Becksguy (talk) 09:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

GLBT culture references??

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How can an article about twinkie bars completely fail to reference Twink (gay slang)? I guess the latter needs to cite a decent reference about the source of the term twink, but it's been around for twenty odd years surely? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.12.191.234 (talk) 06:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I've added to See also, I'm not sure it's worthy of much more mention than that at the moment. Benjiboi 01:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)