Talk:Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me

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[edit] POV alert

For an encyclopedia, I feel we should stay away from interjecting our opinion into articles whenever we can. E.g., in this article, the assumption that folks who view this film without prior knowledge of the series will find FWWM "stylish but incomprehensible" is an opinion and not a fact. As is the comment: "[T]he film is a much darker vision of the same town without the occasions of humor that made Twin Peaks so endearing to many viewers." First of all, the statement that qualifies the film as a "much darker vision" is not factual. Either is the comment that suggests the film is devoid of humor, or at least the kind of humor that made Twin Peaks "endearing". Of course, it remains difficult to explain why a film is of value without occasionally reverting to blind praise.

Too many articles about films, music, and books (as well as every other media) are merely reviews that do not take into consideration the historical significance of the thing being written about. Aesthetic judgments do not have a place in articles that expect to command serious appreciation for both their informative value and their readability.

Finally, I am not particularly fond of the current layout. I loathe to just start hacking away at it so I've posted this as a warning that I will do so if no viable objections are posed. I argue that we should either kill the box office and Cannes reaction info, or just move it down near the bottom. The impression it leaves is not pretty as one begins reading the article.

Curtsurly 07:40, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

On some parts I disagree with you - it will be incomprehensible if you haven't seen the film. It was never meant to be seen as a seperate entity to the film by Lynch IIRC but rather an extension of it. The Cannes reaction is not PoV either and should therefore remain there - it's a stated fact that the film did not do well when it was launched but has been reappraised in recent years by many critics (that's their PoV not necessarily the authors). The impression it leaves is your PoV IMHO. I don't think the article could really avoid stating the reception the film received. I disagree that stating it is a "darker vision" is not factual - it's an accepted difference with the series.However the "endeared to fans" should probably be removed as it is probably PoV. (I may have actually written that bit in fact).

What worries me the most is in efforts to remove PoV or consensus opinion (and lets face it, you can almost find it in any article on wikipedia), we are going to remove the very essence of these articles. By all means remove clear PoV or reviewing but I think the majority of what you're complaining about is not actually PoV. For example, stating that Eraserhead is strange and unusual - is that PoV, generally accepted consensus or fact? Or the Tom Waits article that refers to his first album as melancholic and country-tinged, is that fact or PoV?

Finally the article is indeed a mess - it doesn't really flow at all so a re-edit will be necessary at some point.


MarkB 02:20, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


While "incomprehensible" might be a bit of a stretch, it's definitely worth mentioning that the movie proceeds from a vantage point where the mystery of TWIN PEAKS is already solved for the viewer, and thus acts as a spoiler for series if viewed first. 24.33.28.52 20:28, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fire-walking?

In some countries, it was released as Twin Peaks: The Movie due to difficulty translating the term “fire walk”.

Really? I though the phrase was not be to interpreted as "Firewalk with me", but rather as:

Fire, "walk with me"

or something. Is there any indication that this has anything to do with firewalking? —Gabbe 11:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

That's what I've always thought as well, but I'm not sure. Any Peaks fans that can give a definite answer?

—Robbe 7:11, 18 April 2006 (GMT)

Could be deliberately ambiguous. — goethean ॐ 14:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

When the phrase is spoken it always sounds like "Fire... walk with me." So I don't think there is any fire-walking connection either. Lfh 23:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

It's never explained, in the series or the movie. I'm pretty sure it's deliberately ambiguous, as goethean said. NighTrekr 11:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the reference to firewalking, I just watched some of the episodes and the phrase is consistently pronounced "Fire, walk with me". There's absolutely no evidence that it's a reference to firewalking. If they'd wanted to make it ambiguous they would have pronounced it more ambiguously.

[edit] Nature of the Black Lodge

"This is particuarly apparent in the scenes in which Dale Cooper is seen to be physically present in the Black Lodge, somewhere he does not arrive until the TV series final episode. These parts of the film, at least, must take place after the series."

Because of Lynch's ongoing interests in occult and metaphysical areas, I believe that the Black Lodge is representative of a 'location' in a higher plane of reality. It is a widely held metaphysical belief that time holds a looser grip in such locations, and that time is in fact dualistic in nature, and these dualities fade as one ascends to higher planes of existence. Therefore this isn't an inexplicable quirk, the black lodge is external to the time/space of this world, and I believe that was heavily backed up by some of the other discoveries made by characters in the series. Please expand this if you have any other ideas/arguments on this topic.

[edit] Article status

I think the lead could use a bit of tidying up and the synopsis could be expanded, but the article might be on its way to becoming GA-quality. (Ibaranoff24 16:32, 15 June 2007 (UTC))

From past experience, the article may need a few more sources (i.e. references) before it's considered for GA status. It should at least be submitted to a Peer Review first. I've added a Soundtrack section btw. --J.D. 17:31, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


David lynch never left the show to make wild at heart. Wild at heart and episode two of twin peaks were being edited at the same time, according to editor duwayne dunham's DVD commentary. This is a common misconception. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonanzataz (talk • contribs) 01:34, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Plot

The plot summary is too long and detailed for an encyclopedia article. The amount of the film being described gets to the point where it's incomprehensible to read. It pretty much says every little detail of the film. The section reads like "[Character A] goes to the store. Then he walks home. Then he picks up the phone. Then he dials a number. The phone rings and it's [Character B]. [Character A] and [Character B] discuss lawn jockeys." We're not writing a transcript of the movie here. Try to cut it down a bit. (Ibaranoff24 15:29, 15 August 2007 (UTC))

I tightened up the synopsis and clarified some ambiguities and inaccuracies. Jordanr (talk) 17:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)