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Reviewed version: June 2, 2007

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[edit] General Questions

1.well i dont mean to sound rude(or gross) in any way, but out of pure curiosity, what does bella doe when she has her period, does edward go out of town, does he do extra hunting, would someone please tell me because as gross as it may sound, its a pretty good question, i mean you have to think about the little details that make the story so life like!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.177.76 (talk) 01:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well you aren't the first person to ask that question. This is from Twilight Lexicon, as answered by Stephenie Meyer: "Several girls wanted to know if Edward would have a more difficult time being around Bella when she’s having her period. Answer: Yes, a little bit, but he would never say anything about it–much too much of a gentleman. And Bella would be way too embarrassed to ask. (It’s not the same as a cut, though. It’s sort of "dead" blood, if you get my meaning)." Andrea (talk) 20:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Things that need to be changed

First, Twilight isn't so much a horror novel as it is Young Adult.because edward is fit and cute and sweet That should be stated on the introduction. Also, Stephanie Meyer's choices for the movie Twilight are only her personal choices. Unless something is done, Stephanie Meyer will have no choice in the actors chosen for the roles. Disinclination 00:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I have done major cleanup/editing of this article. In the introduction, all genres are listed (young adult, horror, and romance) and so show a neutral point of view. Also, I have referenced and rewritten the "Movies" section, showing that the point of view discussed is Stephenie's only. Kaiwynn 02:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Disinclination 02:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

She might not have any permanent influence but after doing some reading on Meyers website, it appears she had a moment to sit down with the writer and director to suggest her favourite actresses and actors. Lets hope they take Emily Browning into consideration. She would be a fantastic Isabella Swan! - Jennifer

Heavy editing needs to be done on the plot synopsis, many many contrary statements and incorrectly used titles. I don't know enough about the story to edit myself. -tellairai —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tellairai (talk • contribs) 06:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight (series)

I really think that we are going to have to start making a series article for all of these books. Several articles on the series include useless information that contributes very little to the article in general, and seems to be just taking up space (religious beliefs on why there is no sex/violence in the series on the Eclipse page), and the Vampires section Stephenie Meyer's page (it has nothing to do with her, only her fictional works). Disinclination 06:11, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I agree with you. Anyone else up for it? Raven23 01:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
I third it. — Emiellaiendiay 22:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Do you mean that we would just change the title to Twilight (series), or that we put that extra information you mentioned in a different article? I would be able to help out with her religious beliefs because I'm her religon Bella 19:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
It would mean moving that extra information, as well as any information about the general series as a whole, onto a separate page entitled "Twilight (series)," but still keep "Twilight (novel)" as its own page. Raven23 13:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

22:00, 4 April 2008 (UTC)ScarlettYoshida (talk)== what is the literary period of twilight? ==

what is the literary period of twilight? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.63.209.201 (talk) 23:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Um.. care to elaborate? Disinclination 00:01, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

if youre talking about like when the series in placed in time...like colonial times, civil war times, civil rights movement time...its in modern time i guess because it says stuff about phones, malls, movie theaters and motorcycles.—

[edit] Carlisle

I absolutly love these books, but I am a horrible speller/pronouncer of names. Can anybody tell me how to pronounce Carlisle's name? 70.91.49.174 22:14, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I think it's pronounced car (as in the vehicle)-lie (as in a false truth)-l (as in you lull someone to sleep) Is that right? I also wanted to add that I'm almost finished an article on Carlisle, would anyone object to me creating it? Bella 22:07, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I personally pronounce his name as car (like the person before me said)-lee (as in you lease a van)-sul (ummm I can't explain this sound) Basically it's the last two sounds are pronounced the way of the oldest girl in the movie The Sound Of Music.01:55, 25 October 2007 (UTC)Johanna Klarissa Zeller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.13.247 (talk)
Actually my French teacher told me how to pronouce it, and its how I said earlier... car (as in the vehicle)-lie (as in a false truth)-l (ul). Thanks anyway though. :) ~ Bella Swan 21:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah well i pronounce it ()CAR-LEE-SAL) sal rhymes with pal —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.55.195 (talk) 10:22, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

The correct pronunciation is car (as in the vehicle)-lie (as in a false truth)-l (ul), as stated by the student who asked her French teacher. I live by a town named Lisle (Lie-ul), so,I though it was pretty easy to pronounce. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.194.219.223 (talk) 11:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)


i awlays just pronounced it ca-leez-ull, its spelled that way and all of my friends ( fellow obsesseees) agree ( we also agree that edward is only a little more sexy that carlise (car-leez-ull!!!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.91.177.76 (talk) 01:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


As per several sources, it is "Car-lee-sul." I'll post the sources when I can relocate them. But that's the "official" pronounciation as far as I know. BlackPearl14Bella Swan 20:52, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually the proper pronunciation of this name is always Car-lyle (or Car-lie-ul). Andrea (talk) 20:57, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
I realize that; I'm just stating what a couple of sources said. I believe you, don't worry. :) Just the pronunciation of a name! BlackPearl14Bella Swan 21:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    a (fair representation): b (all significant views):
  5. It is stable.
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b lack of images (does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    a Pass/Fail:

I'm sorry, but this article does not qualify under the Good Article criteria.

Foremost, the lead is too short. Expand it and include a proper summarization of the article and the points you wish to bring up in the article itself. Read WP:LEAD for details.

The prose is difficult to read at times, and this article could use a good copy-edit. Contact the League of Copyeditors, and solicit the aid of one its members if necessary. The plot summary is far too long, and needs to be heavily condensed. The plot summary should not offer an alternative to reading the book and instead only offer a brief synopsis covering the book's major points. The plot summary alone is more than a quarter of the page's content, which is unacceptable. Also, remove the spoiler tags as per WP:SPOILER, as they are inappropiate when used solely to mark off plot summary.

The scope of the article also needs to be expanded. The background and production of the book needs to be included, as well as the reception and criticism to the book itself. Adequate references also need to be supplied. The "Series" and "Film, TV or theatrical adaptations" are almost entirely unsourced, and need references to verify their content. The list of actors needs to be sourced and moved out of a list format. Same with the awards - place them into a paragraph format and expand on the contents of the awards, as well as any notable comments made.

Please fix these issues before nominating this article again from a GA and I am sure it will pass.

Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 22:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article cleanup

I've shortened the plot summary, added a "Reception" section, and slightly expanded the lead. There's a to-do list at the top that details what we need to do next in the cleanup thing. I wouldn't mind this article becoming a featured article, so let's go to work! Raven23 03:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree! I was wondering...by creating the Twilight series page, what exactly do we want on this page? Did we just wanted to change the title itself, or do we want to create a whole seperate article on the series itself? Bella 19:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Never mind, I just saw Raven23 response...sorry. Bella 19:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Are we doing a series page or not?

Well, is there anyone horribly opposed to the idea of a page for the entire Twilight series? If no one objects within about a week, I'm probably going to go ahead and create the page. So, if you have any problems, speak now or forever hold your peace. Raven23 03:40, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Quite honestly, I don't think I have enough time to create the page myself, so I would really appreciate it if you would create the page. I would be more than happy to help with page as often as I can. :)  Bella Swan(Talk!) 18:02, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
There seems to have only been a series section made in this article; did you abandon the plan to make the page or did someone else just create that section and your not finished the page yet?  Bella Swan(Talk!) 16:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm giving other users until Friday to object to the idea if they want; then I'm going to create the page. Raven23 19:39, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight Template

Yeah, I'm supposed to be doing the Twilight series page. I'm working on it. School is not being friendly.

But, for the time being, here's a proposed template. What dost thou thinkest?

Twilight by Stephenie Meyer
Twilight universe
Books: Twilight • New Moon • Eclipse • Breaking Dawn • Midnight Sun
Information: Vampire • Werewolf
Characters
Humans: Bella Swan • Charlie Swan
Vampires: Edward Cullen • Carlisle Cullen • Esme Cullen • Jasper Hale • Alice Cullen • Emmett Cullen • Rosalie Hale (The Cullens)
Laurent • James • Victoria
Caius • Aro • Jane • Demetri (The Volturi)
Werewolves: Jacob Black • Billy Black • Sam Uley • Quil • Embry • Seth Clearwater • Leah Clearwater • Paul

Obviously, not every character needs a page; we can make a page for all the characters and redirect minor characters' names to that page. And, of course, this will mean a bit more creation stuff...but this series needs a template. So. What do you guys think? Raven23 03:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, cool template! I think it's very well-done! Well, I'm all for it! I'll be happy to help out with creating some of the pages, but I need someone to start it out first. THEN I'll add in extra information if needed! :) Spottedstar 02:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I am standing in awe. I cannot ever make a template like that. I think it's amazing. I just finished Eclipse and I'm planning to do some MUCH needed work with summaries and stuff. I also wanted to say that some of the charcters like Leah and Paul and stuff aren't that important in the series, so should we just create page like 'Minor characters in the Twilight series' or something? An example of a set up would be something like this.  Bella Swan(Talk!) 16:27, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, you finished Eclipse? Good. We really need the Eclipse stuff.
I wasn't planning to make articles for every character; I just wanted them on the template. We can redirect the minor characters to a character page. I was thinking either a page for the whole characters (set up something like Fruits Basket characters) or a page for the minor characters.
I guess now all I need to do is finish the Twilight series page. Thank God there's a three-day weekend coming... 170.211.93.125 19:51, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Oh, whoops, that last comment was me. I forgot to log in. My bad. Raven23 19:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I hope you didn't mind that I changed the template slightly. It's still the same, but all I did was fix Alice Cullen's link. It originally linked to some person named Alice McLaughlin, a Scottish Labour Party politician that was Catholic. But it's fixed now so it links to the Alice Cullen of Twilight! :D §ροττεδςταr(Talk|Contribs) 01:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Since I love this template so much, I'm putting it on my list of useful links on my 'under construction' user page. Again- It's amazing! 18:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Bella Swan 19:13, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Okay, maybe I missed something here, but some IP user has already posted up a template on all of the Twilight pages. Would this be the work of anyone here that just didn't log on, or do we need to speak with the user? §ροττεδςταr(Talk|Contribs) 22:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know who put the template up, but I do think it'll work; why pot use it? It is kinda better because it doesn't have any red links in the template (we shouldn't have any red links; articles should just be added to the template as they are written.) Also, there are three letters that are links in the corner of the template, v (veiw the template's page), d (discuss the template)and, e (edit the template). If we still want to use the template above, I do suggest someone adds these links to the corner of the template for easy finding. Bella Swan 22:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
Are we abandoning this one then? With the other one up, this one seems pointless... §ροττεδςταr(Talk|Contribs) 03:18, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
I say we do; there's really no point in changing it. Bella Swan 12:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
Meh. I'm not a huge fan of the current template, mostly because of the "Related Topics" bit. But if you guys really like it, I can live. Raven23 19:45, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Series page created!

Alright, everyone, I'm finally done with Twilight (series). It's not perfect and still has some work that needs to be done on it, but it's up. Any further discussion that involves the series as a whole should go to Twilight (series). Raven23 22:47, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quil Ateara

Hi folks. I'm not familiar with the subject matter here. But someone created Quil Ateara tonight who is apparently a character in this novel. It was deleted, I talked to the admin and had it recreated, then merged it with Jacob Black. All I had was a sentence, really, of salvageable info and I couldn't fit it in here, so I put it there. I then redirected Quil Ateara to Jacob Black in the interim. Here is the last version of the article before I redirected it: [1]. Zuperturtle created it and appears to have created Charlie Swan (Twilight) as well. Perhaps someone familiar with the novel could pitch in and lend him a hand? Cheers and happy editing. Into The Fray T/C 04:42, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot, and I have noticed quite a few new things popping up, another exapmle being Volturi. Really, the only reasons these articles weren't previously created was because there was so little about the characters, that there wasn't any point in creating an article. Charlie Swan (Twilight) has a bit more info than some other of the articles, but I still think that unless we get tons more info on him, he's going to end up being merged or deleted. ~ Bella Swan 23:47, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree. There's enough about Charlie to create a page, but with the Volturi and Quil, they really are only minor characters. Maybe a minor characters page would be in order? Sophiakorichi 03:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)Sophiakorichi

The Volturi can probably keep their article if we put all the information about all the members on that page; we might get a little more info in Breaking Dawn, after all. A minor characters page would be good, though. Raven23 20:08, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
I think someone previously mentioned a minor charcters page somewhere, and I do think that would be an excellent idea. ~ Bella Swan 20:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vampire (Twilight)

I just finished it! ^^ I can't think of anything else to add to it right now- got anything? --PolarWolf ( sign ) 23:02, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Awesome job!!!!! I love it :) ~ Bella Swan 13:05, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! ^^ Oh, and nice job on fixing the appearance section up a bit. I forgot about some of those- hard to believe, since I've read the Twilight series, like, 50 times each book! LOL --PolarWolf ( sign ) 23:49, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headline

[edit] Other Vampires in (Twilight)

I think this article should be changed to Minor Characters in Twilight, so that other charcters that shouldn't have their own article. Then we could just add all the extra characters to the article. ~ Bella Swan 17:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely. I've been meaning to fix that page, but I'm going to be gone the next week, so I won't be able to. Good luck, though. Raven23 19:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Alright, I've changed the page name to Minor Characters in Twilight and merged all the minor charcters into it. It should be set to go. The only thing I couldn't find was an article on Billy Black. I thought we had one but I can't seem to find it. If anyone does, please give me the link. ~ Bella Swan 02:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Twilight Movie

So, apparently there's reference on IMDB to the Twilight movie being released on December 12th 2008, but I've heard that dates change there all the time. So what we might read from it might not be absolute. I'm not sure if this is true, but as for now, should we add the information in the article? §ροττεδςταr(Talk|Contribs) 00:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Might as well. We can put "tentatively" or something to that effect. Raven23 (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The Twilight movie official website was recently created ( See here) It seems that Dec. 12 '08 is the official date. IceUnshattered (talk) 22:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pictures of Forks...

That picture of Forks does not belong in the article, as it has nothing at all to do with the novel. And the same really goes for the other pictures on the articles. So, yeah, I'm getting rid of it. It is unnecessary and does nothing for the article. Raven23 (talk) 19:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes section

Why is it there? @_@ 99.162.100.253 (talk) 23:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Edward cullen is also in love with Scarlet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.202.78.75 (talk) 21:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

who the hell is scarlet? not meaning to be rude, but??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.100.247.189 (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Probably just vandalism crap. If it hasn't been deleted then go ahead. Love, IceUnshattered (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Critical reception?

Honestly. We need a section on Critical reception, or how it was taken my critics/the general public. With the novel's fame, this can't be too hard. I'll start looking into it, but I just wanted to get it out. IceUnshattered (talk) 22:24, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Later note: I got started, but there's still plenty left to be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IceUnshattered (talk • contribs) 00:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)