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[edit] United Airlines flights to Chicago

The addition of White Plains as a destination is correct, but the explanation is not. United flew direct from New Haven to Chicago, if not every flight, then many of them. Some flights stopped in White Plains on the trip back to New Haven, so it would not have been for refueling because of a short runway in New Haven. It could have been just a stop to bring passengers to and from White Plains. I flew New Haven-Chicago direct a number of times and a colleague of mine, a native of Chicago who has worked in New Haven for years, took the direct flight many times. The flight did not stop in White Plains on the way to Chicago because of runway reasons. -- InkQuill 21:54, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

This appeared in the New Haven Register 21 Feb 1991:

Chicago flights start leaving city at 7:45 a.m.

United Airlines provided details about fares and departure and arrival times to and from Chicago Wednesday, the day after the city's legislators approved the airline's proposal to start service to Chicago May 1.

On Tuesday, the Board of Alderman agreed to United's plan to fly to O'Hare International from Tweed-New Haven using Boeing 737-300 jets. New Haven hasn't had direct service to Chicago since 1986.

"The skies were indeed friendly over 200 Orange St. last night," said Mayor John C. Daniels, at an afternoon news conference with United and airport officials. "New Haven will now be on the map.

United will fly to Chicago everyday at 7:45 a.m., 9:54 a.m., 4:44 p.m. and 6:32 p.m. The last flight stops over in White Plains, N.Y.

Direct Flights from Chicago to Tweed depart at 11:56 a.m., 1:44 p.m. and 5:30 p.m. A 5 p.m. departure stops at White Plains.

The one-way full-fare coach to Chicago will be $426, the same price as service to Chicago from LaGuardia Airport in New York, but lower than the $485 it costs to fly from Bradley International.

United also will offer discounted fares. For example, travelers who purchase tickets 30 days in advance and depart from Tweed-New Haven on a Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday can fly round-trip for $183.

United will employ a general manager and 23 customer service representatives. Most of the employees are likely to be recruited locally, said John Philp, a spokesman for the company.

Posted by InkQuill 16:25, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Excellent information. Thanks for finding the newspaper article and fixing the information I'd erroneously put in about the short runway being the cause of the White Plains stopover. I guess one shouldn't believe everything one's flight instructor tells them! (I did flight training at Tweed, so I've landed there more than 400 times, and the runway is too short for reliable service by larger jets. I guess Chicago is at the outer edge of what the runway can handle.) Malangali 10:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. Here's more:

United proposes Tweed-to-Chicago jets, 5 Jan 1991 (partial):

United plans to offer four flights in and four flights out of the city a day. The airline would use 101-737 planes, which are economical, fuel-efficient, quiet and meet the city's noise ordinance passed in 1985, according to John Philp, United's director of public affairs. Philp was in New Haven Thursday and Friday to meet with city leaders and people who live around the airport.

Each plane seats 128. United has been using the 101-737s without any problems for service to the airport in White Plains, N.Y., which is also "a very noise-sensitive community," Philp said.

Posted by InkQuill 15:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deleting former airlines and destinations served

I'd like to question the deletion of former airlines. While PikDig removed them according to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Former_routes, that article discusses former routes and not former airlines that served the airports. Tweed has a long history of airlines that have attempted to serve the airport and pulled out after a short time. While I have no problem deleting the destinations (but I have an argument for keeping them, below), I think it's useful to note which airlines have flown out of Tweed over the years. Now for destinations served: It would be ridiculous to list every former destination of a major airport, but since most of the airlines that have flown out of Tweed have flown to only one or two places, it seems worthwhile to include them. InkQuill 02:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. A big part of the story of Tweed is its inability to maintain consistent, low-cost passenger service for its catchment area. When people come to this article, they are often researching the question of why they have to spend hours traveling to BDL or New York when New Haven has a perfectly viable local facility. The history of airline woes at the airport is essential to understanding the present. There is no reason that such an important part of the tale should be eliminated from Wikipedia due to the blanket imposition of a policy intended for articles that serve other purposes. Malangali 13:35, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The link I provided, discusses the former routes of former or current airlines that serves or no longer serves the airport. So the said discussion resolved that former routes of former or current airlines that serves or no longer serves the airport to be deleted for most of them do not have a reliable source aside from a person's memory. For now I will not delete it. -chris^_^ 22:25, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not at all sure I understand your comment. What link did you provide? InkQuill 22:52, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

→ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airports#Former routes this is the link I provided. -chris^_^ 05:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Each page has a discussion page in order for Wikipedians to hash out differences. -chris^_^ removed the airlines and destinations served, so I startd this topic. Only one person replied, so I restored the airlines and destinations. Now -chris^_^ has unilaterally removed the destinations, without making any reply to our posts that Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Airports#Former_routes is overly broad and shouldn't apply to Tweed, which has a history of airlines coming in and out and limited destinations. Please respond to the discussion; don't just take unilateral actions. InkQuill 02:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I removed the destinations first and foremost because it was resolved in the link I provided twice, and it is stated in the discussion which is in the link I provided to dump that section, for it is UNVERIFIABLE and UNENCYCLOPEDIC, for most of the airlines are already defunct airlines and they were defunct before this airport article was even created, so where did you get your reference that, that specific airline flown to this airport. Why don't you read the discussion on the link I provided twice. -chris^_^ 02:47, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I have read it. The discussino was started here to discuss whether Tweed is an exception. Frankly I could not understand at all what you were trying to say in your comment at 22:25, 6 May ("that serves or no longer serves the airport to be deleted for"???). The only argument that makes sense to me for deleting routes is sourcing, but I still would rather have a rational discussion rather than "read the link, read the link" with caps and bold (shouting) thrown in to boot. InkQuill 03:04, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the typo I meant "...that serves or no longer serves the airport to be deleted for most of them do not have a reliable source aside from a person's memory." -chris^_^ 03:30, 8 May 2007 (UTC)